Hey, Ohio! Let’s sue Antero!

Are there any attorneys out there who will help me sue Antero? Every month, year after year, they skim more in deductions from my royalty statements. This most recent check had 63% taken out, and some of the wells included have restrictions on deductions, so something clearly isn’t right.

How about you other Ohio landowners dealing with Antero? Can we get a class action going and bring these criminals to justice? Share your story here!

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Permalink Reply by James Rowland Milleson on December 13, 2019 at 2:40am

    We are setting times, dates and venues for upcoming Educational focused meetings.   We will need lessor/royalty owners to step forward and be willing to share their experience and results.  The lease language is being argued throughout the Basin as to its meaning pertaining to DEDUCTIONS, what the actual cost of so-called deductions really are, verses the ability to even take any deductions on a Gross, cost free royalty.   We are also looking hard at the term "market enhancement".....huge issue.

 as many readers know, we have successfully audited and challenged companies, both current and historically.

The accountability factor will surprise as to out of court settlements.

Class action suits, across the Nation have proven results.  

[POINT OF SALE] what does your lease say?.............At the well head?

Does the lessee consider liquids as part of the marketing, or do they simply report Gas or Oil sales, this is a problem also...legit concerns we face daily at our office and we continue to fight for the royalty owner.  

How about transparency on the statement?    Can you understand, the format of your royalty check?   Would it not be expected that we demand a basis reporting standard, that all lessee/producers must follow?     

WHAT SAY U? 

Permalink Reply by Dave in Ohio on December 11, 2019 at 5:42pm

Now you've got my attention!  I will be looking into this ASAP...

Permalink Reply by Joe Bezel on December 11, 2019 at 5:03pm

You may not be aware of what is going on in Ohio regarding royalties.  From what I have been hearing from landowners around the region, all of the producers have been ramping up deductions on royalties to anywhere from 60 to 100 percent of the amount of royalties, regardless of lease language.  Everyone is being treated the same; there may be exceptions, but I'm not hearing from any of them.  I have a market enhancement clause that enumerates what additional deductions may be made and forbids others, and requiring the landowner be paid the actual sales price of the enhanced product, all of which is being ignored.  Encino recently purchased Chesapeake's assets, and are taking deductions that would have made Chesapeake's worst vultures blush with shame.  What is going on in Ohio is not the usual complaining about deductions from royalties.

Permalink Reply by Dave in Ohio on December 11, 2019 at 5:47pm

I have been experiencing this myself.  There are exceptions, but they have a lot to do with getting a lease the length of a novel to cover every detail.  It's bad enough they play dirty during the bust cycles, but now they're squeezing every red cent they can get despite the reasonable rebound in the industry.  Encino has been terrible so far.  I've heard their strategy is take it all and let the courts sort it out.

Permalink Reply by Dave in Ohio on December 11, 2019 at 5:42pm

Thanks for the input!  I have negotiated a number of leases myself, although those with Antero preceded my ownership of the property.  Every company takes deductions, but, by comparison, Antero's are astronomically high.  The fact that they get around the post production language tells me they take their agreements in bad faith, as the landmen negotiating that language allow (or even create) the impression that this is the same as 100% gross language.  For anybody out there reading this, I would suggest never signing anything with this company that isn't completely bulletproof.

Permalink Reply by Marcus Brown on December 11, 2019 at 6:36pm
I don't think that Ohio is any different from any other State on deductions, it has been an industry trend, nationally, for a while now.

Market enhancement clauses are worthless deductions, the produced product has to be matched to the produced product in the pipeline or the pipeline operator will not allow the connection. So market enhancement is generally really just them offloading unavoidable costs on to the mineral owners.

The main deal with Chesapeake is Mockingbird, their midstream company. Basically Chesapeake sells produced product to its own midstream company at cut rate prices, so it loses money on the Chesapeake side, but it makes money on the Mockingbird side. Notice that Chesapeake is well on their way to going bankrupt, but Mockingbird is doing just fine. Antero may do the same, they don't operate around here, so I am not as experienced with them.

Those extra midstream costs are basically 100% deductions as well.

Midstream is generally calculated flat rate by the mcf/bbl so as prices go down they gobble up more of the gross production proceeds and come across as huge deductions.

In Texas, Chesapeake is getting sued by 100s of land owners because they started doing negative royalties and sent the land owners bills for producing oil and gas during the 2015-2016 price crash. They might start doing that in Ohio sometime soon.
Permalink Reply by BW_Appalachia on December 12, 2019 at 3:44am

Marcus/Dave --

Great points and great discussion.  Marcus - while it may be different in Texas, I believe that your generalization of landowners' attorneys underhandedly signing NDAs with operators is likely a gross exaggeration.  What you described is explicit violation of the rules of professional conduct in any state, and would result in suspension if not disbarment.  If an attorney if under a retainer, or any other representative agreement with a client, they are conflicted from representing an opposing client.

Dave -- You are absolutely correct that special attention needs to be made to each and every provision in the negotiation of the lease.  Once executed, the landowner is stuck with what they signed.  The only choice for landowners is to take what they are given, or push the envelop and see what kind of leverage they may have given their land position (at this very moment, there isn't much landowner leverage).  That being said, any generalized/ambiguous language in the payment provisions will likely be taken advantage of.  In the leases that I've negotiated, blanket terms such as "transportation fees" and "metering" need to be defined, or deducts are liable to increase exponentially.  Operators are at the mercy of their agreements that largely favor the transport midstream companies and often have commodity pricing/margin provisions that will then be passed on to the landowner if not prohibited.

Hope any of this helps, though it is likely too late as most on here are the mercy of the agreements they've already entered into.

Best of luck, all.

  

Permalink Reply by Marcus Brown on December 12, 2019 at 4:45am

It may be different here, definitely not an exaggeration though, happens all the time.

Agree on it being a professional and ethical rule violation.

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