unit size

ckp is getting ready to put a rig on my families property in brooke co wva. just wondering where i can find the unit size and how many acres of ours they are putting in the unit some where on line? i tried the dep of wva but didnt see anything about units just permit info. i am in fla but i am going up in couple weeks. just trying to get some info before i get there. thanks

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Permalink Reply by JK on March 10, 2012 at 3:39am

In WV unit sizes are 640 acres.

Hope this helps.

0l1a6laz7smpfPermalink Reply by 0l1a6laz7smpf on March 10, 2012 at 5:46am

some states use www.landex.com for storing public records.   They have a fee but you can download the recorded info of oil company units pertaining to your property if they indeed have recorded the unit.   I think it is 9.00 for a file.  if they do not have your state listed perhaps you could call them or email them and ask if there is a service that does that for w.va.

I just looked at landex and it doesn't mention w. va.   but i found this online if you want to take a look'

http://www.governor.wv.gov/newsroom/pressreleases/2012/Pages/Govern...

2s72s0k9mm8gdPermalink Reply by 2s72s0k9mm8gd on March 10, 2012 at 7:41am

Shouldn't the unit have already been established before the well is drilled ? It is my understanding that royalties from any well will only be distributed to landowners within the unit as it existed at the time of drilling that particular well. Subsequent additions to the unit will only profit from the wells that follow.

I would assume you have a legal right of ownership in this well on "your family's property"? If so , you should have been notified by CHK of the particulars of inclusion in a unit , I would think. Since you obviously haven't , perhaps you should contact CHK and ask. Sounds like you may have been excluded from the lease.

If you don't have a stake in the well , you should be able to find info at the courthouse in Brooke County , as much as is considered Public Information , that is.

Here's a question I have had for some time: Why are the units so small in Ohio? Some are under 100 acres.......Just doesn't make sense to have 1 horizontal and , say 95 acres as a whole unit........? Anyone out there who can enlighten me?

Permalink Reply by Kathleen on March 10, 2012 at 3:18pm

Drill Baby Drill,

 

That's a question I'm hearing more and more.  They are in the circle of theproduction unit but not under what is planned for the first leg.  One way to look at it is a unit is a unit so it's one. All get paid, but than you can see how someone could say how do we ever know if the rest will be drilled and I miss out on their share. Does it still go back to it's a UNIT and everyone in that benifits. 

I've seen this come up before and I thought PA landowners with wells would know at least how that worked in that State to give us an idea of what we should expect. 

Permalink Reply by bo boboski on March 11, 2012 at 12:20am

It seems like once people get a well/s drilled and become part of a production unit,start getting their royalty checks,they clam up. Become tight lipped and never to be heard from again.  It"s like, I'm set for life now,dont want anyone to know how much $$$ I'm making,Just leave me alone and mind your own business. May never hear from from them again on this site!

Permalink Reply by craig on March 11, 2012 at 3:46am

bo, there just aren't that many folks receiving royalty checks yet in the western pa, eastern ohio areas to see many posts on the subject. And how many of them actually frequent this site? You are correct to some degree that folks tend to clam up when the money is big though. I personally don't think there will be more than a handful of folks receiving big money in the next few years. 

Permalink Reply by Nut leesduh on March 11, 2012 at 6:53am

What he said

Permalink Reply by John Harrison on March 11, 2012 at 9:54pm

In PA there is no law regulating either the setback of a horizontal well from the edge of the unit or when the unit is formed, unit size, shape or how and when it can change.  In Bradford County, I know of a unit that was formed before drilling started and another one right next to it where the unit was formed a couple of months after production started.

    There are units near me where the land parcels are not even contiguous.  The gas companies can change the unit anytime they want by filing a paper at the county courthouse, forever.  They never have to justify a change to anyone.  In PA, the idea that units are used for conservation is a joke - the gas companies use this power to intimidate landowners and maximize their profits.

    The further insult is that there is a law on the books in PA, it just doesn't apply to the Marcellus.

2s72s0k9mm8gdPermalink Reply by 2s72s0k9mm8gd on March 11, 2012 at 6:19am

The lay of the properties versus the NE/SW run of the laterals would explain a property being in more than 1 unit. What I don't understand is why such small units are being designated in Ohio when so much leased  , BUT NOT UNITIZED , land surrounding these micro units are NOT being HBP. The O&G is only paying out X dollars , no matter how many landowners are in the unit. Could it be they know they are getting the neighbors' gas through migration anyhow? Common sense tells me that the push for bigger and bigger unit size should be foremost on their minds in order to HBP all that is leased with the smallest investment in wells , yet this doesn't seem to be the case in OH........? That is , unless there's something more to it than meets the eye.........

My lease  here in PA is with Shell and I have 1280 acres unit size in my lease.

Permalink Reply by bo boboski on March 11, 2012 at 6:37am

Glenn;  Maybe when Shell finally get fired up about drilling here in eastern Ohio,the 1280 units may be the case. They have probably 100,000 acres leased in guernsey co. alone. Right now there are frost laws in affect,plus there is no way to get the o&g out of here until the pipelines & processing plants are built. That might have something to do with the one lateral/small unit sizes. The drillers/producers  probably think they will get to drilling more laterals & declare bigger units before their 5 year leases are up. Right now they are capping 4 out of 5 wells that get drilled. Very few getting any royalties anyway.

Permalink Reply by Kathleen on March 11, 2012 at 10:09am

I've read someones elses lease that stated in it they have to provent that type of draining.  How you could prove they did our did not I have no idea I just thought It was neat to see in a lease.

Permalink Reply by Chartist on March 10, 2012 at 10:41am

I don't know....But, I bet Chevron, who recently bought out the assets of Chief, would like to say all of Somerset County, PA, is one big drilling unit....that way they can hold the whole thing by production with just one hole in the ground.

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