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Natural gas prices set to jump with exports By Lou Kilzer, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW Sunday, June 12, 2011
Read more: Natural gas prices set to jump with exports - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_741745.html#ixzz1P...
This is what if worry about. International use first before the citizens of the USA get the benefits of this God given blessing. We in the US do the drilling and little else while China (and this could be the reason China claimed we are defaulting on our debt to force us to sell to them) benefits and the greens saying great then they won't pollute using our coal.
Meanwhile the people of the USA will do what BHO promised. We will be paying skyrocketing utilities and gasoline for our cars. Go figure.
An interesting conundrum. Exports will raise prices and hurt local gas customers, including industrial users. But exports will increase royalties, taxes, development, and job creation. Exports will also help our foreign trade imbalance and strengthen the dollar.
Personally, I would rather see the nat gas industry finance an accelerated transition of diesel trucks to nat gas. The billions that are spent on developing LNG export terminals could be used to convert the rigs and install CNG filling stations along the interstate systems and in major cities. A five billion dollar investment would have a huge impact on such a conversion and have a much bigger impact on the industry and the country as a whole.
There are already enough CNG stations for trucks to haul from La to Denver. Build it out across I-80 and some other major interstates and watch what happens. Plus, major cities should all have LNG stations. Converting fleet operators such taxi cabs, delivery trucks, emergency vehicles, buses and more would make the air a dramatically cleaner.
This would be much better than helping China get cheaper energy.
Well said, Jim. Though, I'm not sure it's an either/or proposition. I think you can both fulfill American demands and find new customers abroad. You simply have to look at the numbers on both sides of the ledger to decide if it makes sense for the country and the Appalachian region. Exporting may not be smart but it'll take a close look at the numbers to say that with authority IMO.
Speaking of looking at the numbers...the article posted compares nat gas at $4.80 vs $14 for LNG in Asia, which is comparing apples to oranges. The $4.80 is gas at the pipeline before transportation and distribution costs. I have no idea how much it costs to transport the gas to a liquification plant, liquify the gas, and then ship it to Asia but it has to be significant. And if gas goes up in the next few years to $5.50 or $6 (again pipeline price) as the futures predict they will, than the price discrepancy is even less.
Further, according Mr Pickens, one MCF at $4.80 is equivalent to about seven gallons of diesel, which is about $30. So if nat gas would even triple, which is highly unlikely, it would still be significantly cheaper than diesel. So there is way less risk in converting trucking to gas than investing billions on LNG ports. And that doesn't figure the other benefits such as cleaner air and engines on CNG are so clean that they have a much longer engine life and require fewer oil changes.
The market will determine how this plays out. But since there are large companies that specialize in import/export that appear willing to invest the money....and few companies willing to invest in converting trucks and developing the necessary support infrastructure, exporting may win out.
All one needs to do is build the terminals as the ships, the supply, and the market are already there. The Catch 22 of transportation conversion is that no one wants to spend the money to covert their trucks to CNG if there are no fillings stations to support them. And no one wants to build filling stations until there are enough trucks using CNG to make it worth while.
The value of the natural gas depends upon the demand that exists for it. Consequently, if there is worldwide demand and we have a method to satisfy this demand, then doing so will drive up the value of the resource. I submit this is good for all of us. The more valuable the resource, the more money will be invested to "harvest" this resource. This means a greater investment in the industry which is exactly what produced the fracking and horizontal drilling technology that is now making everyone wealthier. If the gas wasn't valuable, engineers wouldn't have figured out new and better ways to extract it.
I have great faith in mankind and our ability to use technology and invent new methods when the reward is there to drive it. So we sell some of our gas overseas and we use the increased profits to find ways to drill deeper, frack better, etc. We'll then be able to get to even more gas and make even more money.
Don't fall for the knee-jerk reaction people have to helping the Chinese or anyone else for that matter. We are not "giving" them the gas, we are selling it to them. If we can sell the gas to Martians, let's do that too. We'll take the profits and re-invest, re-invent, and enrich ourselves along the way.
Some of what bother me is that with the present Administration and how they have taken over other private enterprise eg the auto industry and ethanol to name two things what will they do if the debt gets so bad that the o&g will look very tempting. What is the saying "too big to fail". Or the homes that were not expensive enough for one town so they took them by eminent domain so private enterprises could build bigger more expensive homes and condos for a "higher tax base". The US Supreme court has already said that the greater good, even if only a better tax base, is reason to take the property of one person to enrich others. It was not free enterprise that set the price but the government.
As this country goes more toward a socialistic form of government is it possible for them to nationalize the energy production and distribution. Look at South America and the Arab countries. They are sitting on a fortune and it is not the average Joe that owned the land but the princes and politicians that now rule and own the assets.
Sorry but this is how I feel. Not sure how others feel. Anyone want to chime in?
I agree Kathleen. I have already seen government at all levels clamoring to find ways to tax anything having to do with natural gas everyway possible. Even attempting to the same thing twice. There are counties that are currently severing oil and gas from the surface rights when a property is seized for taxes and then at times selling the property back to the original owner while keeping the oil and gas rights but still taxing the property the same. The single largest mineral owner in this country are our wonderful layers of government.
As to selling the gas overseas, royalty owners won't be the ones seeing the price the gas companies get in say the Asian market. Sure, the market may rise here and that will fetch us a better royalty rate but at the same time we will also be paying for natural gas at a higher rate when we purchase it directly or products produced from natural gas. It truly is a double edged sword for the consumer/royalty owner but a great thing for the industry itself
I, for one, am not to overly concerned with the possibility of US gas exports to China. Yes, many companies are discussing the option of building export facilities, yet only one has been approved and funded (that I'm aware of).
The facility in Sabine Pass would be exporting some 2.2 bcf/day-roughly the same amount of gas that used to be sent to the northeast but is now being produced right here in PA.
Export of NG would certainly do a bit to offset our trade deficit, yet few realize that even if drilling increased here in the US, almost all the new rigs required to ramp up production further, enabling vast amounts to shipped to China, would be purchased from China! Personally I'd think that domestic use of CNG would be a more beneficial method of reducing trade imbalances as every $25-$30 worth of NG could displace around $100 worth of crude oil. Besides the work that CHK is doing towards CNG use in PA, ENCANA is also working on building out a CNG 'corridor' along I-80 through southern WY. If all those most concerned with the possibility of NG exports focused their energies on pushing for the passage of the NATGAS Act (the Pickens Plan), we'd help increase both domestic consumption as well as increase NG prices here at home.
In the time it takes to plan, finance, permit and build an LNG export plant, China might well be on their own way towards greater domestic shale gas production, after all-
" According to information released by the US Energy Information Administration (EIA) in April, China has 1,275 tcf of technically recoverable shale gas resources, nearly 50% more than the US. Those estimated recoverable reserves are more than one thousand times the amount of natural gas used in China in 2010." from-China's Shale Gas Could Be the Biggest Boom Yet for U.S. Companies
Just my $.02 worth.
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