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Permalink Reply by Graham on April 3, 2012 at 12:25pm

They can and are drilling through abandoned coal mine voids.

Permalink Reply by Cheyenne on September 1, 2011 at 2:02pm

A map is attached that might help

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Permalink Reply by Philip Brutz on September 2, 2011 at 6:05am

Cool map! Is there a higher resolution version available on line somewhere? I can’t quite read the town names on this one.
Thank you for posting it.

Permalink Reply by Graham on April 5, 2012 at 10:28pm

Don't forget Ohio Valley Coal's #6 mine. It is also huge.

Permalink Reply by Philip Brutz on April 5, 2012 at 11:24pm

Do you have a map of it that you can post?

Permalink Reply by Graham on April 3, 2012 at 12:29pm

They will plug all known existing wells before they mine through them. If they hit an unknown well, all hell will break loose. Been there, done that in the '70s.

Permalink Reply by Cheyenne on April 4, 2012 at 3:05am

We see where the shale gas drillers and the deep coal mines are working together in Northern WV. What is the hold up here in Belmont and Monroe County Ohio?   

In the areas where the coal companies and the oil companies are reasonable and willing to work together instead of one side declaring a superior position, everyone involved can move forward and accomplish what is best for the community and the country as a whole.

The effected landowners generally make nothing from the coal mining under their land even though we experience some of the negative effects of longwall mining. With oil & gas drilling many effected landowners can actually benefit monetarily. The O&G companies will benefit the community by providing another employment option for local workers, as well as generating a huge tax base for the state and local governments.

All over the world people, businesses and even nations understand the basic concept of giving and taking so that we can all co-exist, and still accomplish our own legal goals and agendas. This isn't always easy, and it certainly does create additional cost and often times requires us to make adjustments to our plans or to modify our path. It would be ridiculous and selfish for a coal operator to take on an attitude of superiority in this matter and to expect everyone else to grow very old waiting on him to stay that he's all done mining under Southeastern Ohio.

During the sale of the coal rights, many landowners of the past reserved the right to drill through the #8 coal so that they or the future landowners could someday produce oil and gas under their land. A reasonable person wouldn't think that a fair judge or arbitrator would rule against drilling through the coal when the coal sale agreement clearly reserved that option for the landowner.

It's my undertanding that some laws were passed that require any drilling or mining plans to be submitted to the state for approval prior to commencing the drilling or mining operation.  The law also realized that sometimes the coal and drilling operators are working in close proximity to each other and thus made some laws on that subject as well. Drilling down through a currently working coal mine shaft would endanger miners and disrupt the mining operations and therefore the state would deny that drilling permit however, one would think that it's a huge leap for a coal operator to interpet the law to mean that no drilling could be done in areas where there is no currently working mine shaft. In this acse a coal speculator could possibly buy up hundreds of square miles of cheap coal rights in Ohio and basically hold all of the other mineral operations hostage around his agenda and around his time line.

In Southeastern Ohio There are several layers of coal and other minerals that could be sold/ purchased from the landowners. Would the State of Ohio really allow the oil and gas under the state to be held up for many years while we all waited on the mine to turtle around and maybe one day declare that they are all finished?

The country wants and needs the clean gas and oil that is under Ohio right now. As fast as technology is moving these days, there's a reasonable possibility that a better alternative to the oil and gas may be discovered while we all set around and wait for the coal companies to declare that they are finished mining all of their Ohio coal reserves. 

We need to stop our countrys dependance on hostile foreign countries to provide us with oil.  We need to get America moving forward again.

Waiting on the judicial system and the long appeals process to rule on this Coal vs Oil Dispute could take decades to resolve. In addition to the judicial branch here in Ohio will also have a legislative branch of govt. that has the ability to take action to create an environment wherein both the O&G and the coal operators will work together without unnecessary delay. 

The legislative branch has the authority to regulate longwall mining, which I understand may actually be illegal in Germany.  Perhaps the longwall method of mining could be revisited by the legislative branch. In Ohio before 1980 conventional mining technique was used instead of longwall mining, during that time it was common practice for the oil and gas operations to work in close proximity to the coal mining operations.  

The point that I'm hoping to make here is that the local coal operators need to actually be willing to work together with the O&G companies. Undertand this, we landowners aren't as stupid as some may assume, so for you to simply SAY that you are willing to work with the other side doesnt cut it when your actions clearly reflect something different. We've seen enough of the public relations garbage, it's time we see drilling rigs in Southern Belmont and Northern Monroe Counties.  

Permalink Reply by Philip Brutz on April 4, 2012 at 5:49am

Cheyenne, is possible to post a higher resolution image of the Century mine?  If I had a better image I could make a Google Earth map layer of it and post it so that landowners could see where the mine is in relationship to their land.

Permalink Reply by Graham on April 4, 2012 at 10:30am

That would most likely require a public records request to DMR.

Permalink Reply by Finnbear on April 4, 2012 at 10:36am

Private message just sent. I have a better map but it is too big a file to post here.

Permalink Reply by Cheyenne on April 4, 2012 at 12:19pm

I would like to help, but its been awhile since I posted it here and I no longer have a copy of the map.

Permalink Reply by Finnbear on April 4, 2012 at 3:50pm

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