Gasland by Josh Fox
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Permalink Reply by Stephen Burns on
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I concur! I lived and grew up in western greene county 40 yrs ago. We didn't have enough well water on a good day (before gas drilling) to do the laundry and shower without worrying about running out. The coal company bought my parents house and after they mined the water was gone. Now there is city water, more jobs and people coming to the area.
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If this is the " show about how it really is for Gas Drilling" - I refuse to even look at any of that because it seems like such a far out view of reality. It seems like the "people" that have a problem with gas wells are the same ones that have no land - or no gas rights. We actually had "people" try to start something with us in a bar one day. They were listening to our conversation and became an authority on how bad things are going to get for us because the 10 acre pad is proposed for the farm in front of us here in Fox Twp. They tried to back up their mouths by telling us how ugly all the wells are so far but had no idea of how many were drilled in PA -- we set them straight really fast. They thought it already ruined the Loyalsock Trail ---- do not know what they are talking about and maybe it was the crazy crap that the "sour Grapes people" are spreading. It will definitely be a change in life anf the area for some time to come but I am sure it will all work out to the good of the COUNTRY! I guess some people would rather depend on foreign gas and oil. We all know it will be a good thing in the long run and I am sure everyone will be very inconvienced for a while. I think everyone benifits by it by the increase in the economy in PA and it is going to help even those who live on smaller lots and even the ones who for some reason or another do not have gas rights. THINK OF THE HELP TO THE STATE AND COUNTRY IN REVENUE FOR YEARS TO COME. I think we will have some companies that will make mistakes or not please everyone but in the long run most wells so far have gone in without a hitch and everything restored to the way it was before they drilled..
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Permalink Reply by Scott-A. on
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This was a great fictional documentary. Well narrated to put an entertaining spin to support the opposition of natural gas production, and create a false perspective of the natural gas industry. Josh Fox is obviously trying to make a name for himself by presenting a one sided documentary based on questionable facts.
Some cases that Josh Fox covered may have actually happened, but they are truly far and few that have ever happened to impact the environment. Yes, gas wells have contaminated groundwater and surface waters and mistakes have been made, but they have also been responsibly corrected.
The logic of it all is that you’re not going to pay a farmer a million dollars to drill a well on his property without pissing off his neighbor. Complaints of noise, traffic, dust, odors, and yes groundwater contamination will come crying out of the woodwork, because everyone wants a piece of the action. Methane and other constituents are natural occurring in water supplies as well as percolate from the ground especially in areas of high gas reserves. However, the important thing that Fox overlooks is that this material is product not contamination. The objective of the gas companies is to collect it not release it to the environment.
The exploration of our resources is a means with risk, just like buying our oil from counties that don’t like us. We lost good men on the drill rigs. We also lost good men and women during 911 and the Gulf War.
Americans depend on gas and petroleum as the blood that makes this country thrive. Josh Fox couldn’t drive to each one of his staged video clips or produce his documentary wo/ petroleum. We ALL use it, we all depend on it. The gas and oil companies are not criminals nor are they the bad guys. They are the companies that supply this country with a resource that we so desperately depend on. Yes they are set up to make a profit, like any other free enterprise that has built this great nation. Our energy is a bitter sweet resource. The greater the power the greater the risk, to include renewable green energy to nuclear power. How many lives were lost building the Hoover Damn? (114). and where do you begin with calculating the lives lost in the coal mines?
FACT: Approximately 40% of this country’s energy usage comes from petroleum, 22% natural gas, 23% coal, 8% nuclear, 3% hydro, and 3% renewable. Hellooo Josh Fox the lion share of that 40% petroleum is imported from bad people that don’t like us and would rather see us dead than buy their oil. Ow yea Josh …we would be a third world country wo/ fossil fuels- IDIOT.
Even Fox being helped by a two year old could figure out that it will take a lot of renewable energy to subsidize the 97% of energy the American power junky consume on a daily rate. But we do need to relieve our dependence on foreign oil imports. But how? Drill and develop natural gas and petroleum resources within this country. We need to develop nuclear energy (that can generate a lot of power with little impacts). And we need to be Americans, and be innovative (like Americans), and develop renewable energy technology that is affordable and practical to all Americans. The ultimate goal is to use alternative energy sources to stray away from fossil fuels forever. Only then will we be able to stand strong as Americans and guarantee an energy future for our children.
Sure we’ll crack a few eggs along the way, and the environment may get dinged and Americans will die, but better to endure these consequences and die being Americans building hydro damns, mining coal, drilling for oil/natural gas, developing nuclear energy, and falling off solar panel roofs and windmills, then die by the hands of terrorist and war.
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Permalink Reply by Keith Mauck (Site Publisher) on -
I think "idiot" is the wrong term to describe the director.... I have seen/heard 3 interviews of him and I think "dangerous" is a better description. He has a solid handle on the issues involved, but is twisting his knowledge to decieve. You do a good job of pointing out some of those deceptions in the above post.
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Permalink Reply by Ralph Kisberg on
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Let's hear some facts. 1200 Marcellus wells drilled so far in PA ( correct?). 1 blowout we know of. How many contaminated water wells ( 14 or 9 in Dimmock? less?) How many cases of methane migration into water wells, how many recorded spills, illegal dumping of wastewater? Etc. This is all quanitifable, at least what has been caught by the DEP. Anyone have the numbers? What are the percentages of problems?
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Permalink Reply by JK on
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Hopefully regulators are keeping a tight lid on the dumping of the frac water into waterways.
That's the real damage for all of us. I like the new company in Fairmont who is using a distillation process. And they are busy thank goodness. We need more of these companys.
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Permalink Reply by Carol on
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Someone needs to create a documentary featuring all of the people that drilling has helped. Maybe interview some gas company employees who were previously unemployed, some restaurant owners who have seen a spike in business, hotel managers who have no rooms available, farmers who now can afford to keep their farms, and multiple other business owners who have seen an increase in sales and profits due to this industry. We need to show the public the positive side of drilling. Anyone out there with film-making experience? But wait, it would never make it to television because it would be too positive.
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Permalink Reply by Mike Kaschak on
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Actually "Gas Odyssy" the positive side og gas drilling played in upper NYS, ie
Binghampton and Albany last week. I doubt you will see it on TV, but you might
get a movie house to run it.
Mike
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Permalink Reply by Keith Mauck (Site Publisher) on
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Here's NYT's article on this gem - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/nyregion/10towns.html
"It’s one-sided, flawed and personal in the Michael Moore mode, and it jibes completely with the stories told by people from out west who offered cautionary tales at an information session at the same theater two years earlier, when the leasing frenzy upstate was just beginning."
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Permalink Reply by Robin Fehrenbach Scala on
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Josh Fox has taken the opportunity to make a name for himself...and that is about the extent of it. People who are gullible and/or not in the region tend to believe what he is presenting, but you can't fault them except that they should be more skeptical when viewing this stuff. It is very easy to check facts on the internet, but anyone outside the area really has no reason to do it.
Not only has Josh Fox lied about owning land in PA (he doesn't, his parents did) he also lied about the lease offer (no one got a lease offer in that amount at that time) and he has lied about every single "fact" in his movie. When I tried to confront him about the lies he freaked out and started a personal attack (standard procedure).
Too bad Robert Redford got caught up in the bull and used his influence to get the crappy film on HBO.
Things are getting worse because of this movie, and also because of several extreme "environmental" organizations which are training people in scummy commando tactics to harm landowners in public and also to trespass onto well sites so they can damage things and rig up fake spills (which they then photograph and report). Be aware! If you are known as pro-drilling you may be set up in public...if so, call the police right away and be sure to take note of any people, vehicles, etc involved. A camera would be best, so bring one when you go out to public events. This is getting too common already and is bound to become a major issue unless we fight against it.
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I can't comment on owning land, or being involved in a gas lease with a company on the shale beds. But some of the comments I've read here are..shocking.
To say that drilling and injecting chemicals into the ground where you/we get our water from should not raise an eyebrow? Is it a perfect science...? There are zero casualties in this war on fossil fuels? If they had the opportunity these giant companies would purchase every last square inch of your land, plow it to dust, and suck every last drop of anything worthwhile out of the ground they could. I know our lifetimes are short, in relation to the earth. Do any of you have children? Grandchildren? Maybe in 50-100 years when we’re all gone they are importing their water from somewhere that supports terrorism and they have to fight for the clean water act of 2110.
We only have one place to live, and we're all a part of it. I understand it’s your land and you can do what you want with it. But just don't think there aren't any repercussions. They're always catches, and repercussions.
How about we stop using our efforts to rape the earth, and ourselves, and our pockets for fossil fuels, and start trying to educate our young people to be as enterprising as they can to develop new technology to GO AGAINST THE GRAIN and use other sources. Wean ourselves off of this stuff. Yes we are slaves to gas, and oil and coal and everything else we mine and trudge out of the ground. BUT what other choices do we have. We all have set this up for ourselves to fail, set it up for companies to exist to purchase our own land that we worked hard for to take and pollute our communities. We as human beings have the free will to make choices and to help each other in this great country. Let’s be the first to do so.
Again, I’m not here to tell you to sell or not sell. Drill or not drill, I don’t know you're situations. I’m just asking you to think about someone else, and to inspire some great debating here. "The grass is always greener". Money always gets spent. American history and our American thread lasts forever. Why can't we strengthen it now and make a difference later.
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