Drilling for gas in NY.

Are energy companies allowed to drill in new york, or is there a ban on drilling.  Looking at property in western new york, alittle north of erie,pa.  Anyone have any information?

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Permalink Reply by brian kulp on February 11, 2012 at 12:53pm

i believe the moretorium in highvaluom hygro fracking only so that kills the shale drilling

Permalink Reply by NY Shale Gas Now on February 11, 2012 at 2:15pm
Conventional drilling remains legally unchanged, but is currently way down on economic grounds.

Unconventional drilling (shale in NY) is what's under moratorium -- if it's a horizontal well, which implies the need for high-volume hydraulic fracturing to complete. Unconventional vertical is okay, but not much interest, except for testing.

If you Google New York State DEC Environmental Navigator, you can map-zoom pretty tight into the location you're interested in, but it will be showing you old wells mostly.
Permalink Reply by David Perotto on February 11, 2012 at 3:01pm

David,

We have  been on hold here in NY for a couple of years. Looking at it from a global perspective, I cant believe the moratorium will continue past this year. The DEC is in charge and from a legal perspective they will have a hard time not permitting HVHF. If they fail to permit by the end of the year you can bet there will be a very large lawsuit from landowners, myself included. They have studied the process and now have little choice but to act. Furthermore the state could use the economic boost, they are having a difficult time with their budget. The state is sitting on an economic boom and probably cant resist. Mr. Martens, are you listening???

If I were you, I would look at the Olean area. The devonian shales are 400-500 thick in that area, most likely wet Marcellus. The Utica in Chautaqua County is going to most likely be dry gas, not bad but NG is too low right now.

Dave

Dave

015334grltd9mPermalink Reply by 015334grltd9m on February 11, 2012 at 3:19pm

David,

You and Mark get together, as per our conversations today.  You both I guess will work togther talk to you two Monday.

 

Permalink Reply by David Perotto on February 11, 2012 at 5:31pm

David,

I forgot to post this link:

http://esogis.nysm.nysed.gov/esogisdata/downloads/NYSERDA/5012/Frac...

 

This is where I found the info on the shale thickness.

Dave

Permalink Reply by Dave on February 12, 2012 at 8:16am

Where is the Olean area.  What county is that in?

Permalink Reply by Dave on February 12, 2012 at 8:24am

What county would that be in.  I'm not familiar with New York at all.  Thanks

Permalink Reply by Janice L. Hancharick on February 12, 2012 at 8:38am

David, Olean is along the Southern Tier Expressway & Rte. 417.  It sits in Cattaraugus County which comprises 1/4 of the 4-County Leasing Group.  The other counties are  Allegany ... due east and also in NY, and McKean & Potter on the PA side.  This region is gas and oil rich.  This is where it all began in the 1800's.  The 100's of members and 1,000's of AC included in this group came together to maintain maximum control possible of surface and sub-surface resources during the stages of exploration, development, and production.  We are going forward with a lease developed expressly for these purposes because we believe maximum profit is only part of the picture when developing resources.  Most members live in this region, make their living here, and/or vacation here.  Reclamation after drilling, drilling with the least possible intrusion on the environment, and avoiding industry-friendly company leases are what we strive for. 

Keep watching this region.  Our production units will soon be up for bid.

Permalink Reply by Dave on February 12, 2012 at 8:49am

Does it cost anything to join the leasing group?  Thanks for the info Janice

Permalink Reply by Janice L. Hancharick on February 12, 2012 at 9:15am

Some it does.  Not 4-County

Permalink Reply by Janice L. Hancharick on February 12, 2012 at 9:16am

Yes.

Permalink Reply by Janice L. Hancharick on February 12, 2012 at 9:13am

After posting my earlier reply and lamenting I forgot to tell you of the public FEB. Meeting   6:30  Grange Hall @ 55 Park Circle in Angelica, NY (1/2 hour N. of Olean)  ... all about NY leasing in this region, it occurred to me what you were really asking.  Sounds like you're contemplating making an investment ... buying a parcel or two in NY.  If I'm correct first, please ask your real estate agent to certify in writing there are no leaseholds on the property in question.  IF the property has been leased previously request a copy of the lease(s) on it. Make that request a requirement, then take the paperwork to an experienced gas lawyer.  NY and PA have been drilled on since the mid-1800's.  Many VERY poor leases were signed over the years by unwary owners, that leave the acreage completely tied up till the "Sun don't shine, and down to China", with many clauses that are so industry-friendly you'd be better off to buy a town's dump.

Hope this doesn't burst your bubble.  Good luck!  jlhanch@nc.rr.com

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