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Permalink Reply by Bill Mehl on January 28, 2013 at 7:42am

Then let's get some Bucks!!!

Pun intended.  send me an email and let's loop Al in since he is in the same boat.

Permalink Reply by Al Cramblett on January 28, 2013 at 7:35am

Bill, I have another recommendation for you. Stop accepting visits and telephone calls. I communicate with the landman by e-mail. That way I have a written record of what has been discussed.  Also, what you request for compensation may be higher than the per inch approach. As an example, they're going through a woodland of mine which means that I can no longer grow trees on the ROW. I'm factoring in an additional loss of tree production for the life of the pipeline.

Permalink Reply by Jason Grecco on January 28, 2013 at 2:42pm

Al....accept my friend request or message me.....

Permalink Reply by shawnalee pettinger on January 16, 2013 at 7:10pm

I was not aware of the ROW contract on the ALOW website.  Thank you.  I havn't choosen a lawyer yet. I will surely look into the information you have provided. 

Permalink Reply by Jason Grecco on April 1, 2013 at 5:16pm

Hunter:

Almost 1 year has past since you started this thread and we are no closer to understanding MWs intentions on the number of pipes, pipe diameter, installation schedule, or what a reasonable cost is per line.  Everybody has advice, but noone will admit what they signed for even in private conversation outside of confidentiality agreements.  Leasing has proved much easeir than ROW negotiations.

Permalink Reply by Chris on April 2, 2013 at 6:55am

As far as number of pipes, diameter, installation schedule...etc.  I get the impression that their is quite a bit of disconnect, sometimes tension, between the Landman and Markwest or whoever is working for Markwest.  Contracted Landman are usually only told things on a need to know basis .  My landman says they havent told him the number of pipes,  everthing thing is on hold i guess becuase of a few landowners holding them hostage.  He thought it would be 10 in pipe from Cadiz to Hopedale, but he doesnt know for sure....

Permalink Reply by Al Cramblett on April 2, 2013 at 3:09am

Jason, you are correct in that people seem to be phobic when discussing ROW contracts. I have been fortunate enough to get half a dozen or so fellow landowners to talk to me, and the prices they received ranged from $2-$3 per inch of pipeline diameter. I personally have signed no contracts to date but am in negotiations with three different companies. In my case, I am asking for compensation in the 2 to 3 dollars per inch of pipeline diameter range. Hope this helps you.

Permalink Reply by Gusher on April 2, 2013 at 7:24am

Al, would you push for similar amount on a 16 inch gathering line?

Permalink Reply by Al Cramblett on April 3, 2013 at 5:14am

Frank, please take note that: (1)  a pipeline ROW contract is in perpetuity unless the ROW is abandoned by the pipeline company,(2) the landowner will be paying the real estate taxes on the land held by the ROW contract even though that land may not have any economic value as a result of the contract. That is the situation with me as my property is a managed woodland. That is, I have spent my own money to develop my woodland for the benefit of wildlife, recreation, watershed, and future income for my grandkids as a result of timber sales. When a pipeline goes through a woodland, all trees are bulldozed and trees can no longer be grown in this area. That is a lost of economic value for me. A pipeline easement could also rule  what would  otherwise be a buildable site. Thus, the current or possible future use of one's land significantly impacts the price to be paid for a pipeline ROW. If a pipeline is going through a cultivated area, and  is at least 48 inches deep, there should be no reason why the landowner cannot continue  farming that area. Also. The euphoria in Harrison County now is all about the Utica which many oil and gas professionals believe will be producing for 20 to 30 years. Very little mention is being made of the Marcellus or Trenton Black River shale layers. My point is that there will probably be oil and gas production in Harrison County for over 100 years. In other threads I have seen comments about pigs getting slaughtered and it has been implied that I am such an individual. I take no offense to that comment, and, in fact, laugh it off. When the oil and gas leasing was the issue of the day, I stated my goal. I met that goal! The same is now occurring with the pipeline ROW contracts. I have mentioned $2-$3 an inch of pipeline diameter as my goal. It's taken me a while, but I'll answer your question. Yes, I think the $2-$3 also applies to a gathering line, but it probably should be closer to the two $2 end. Good luck to you and I apologize for being somewhat verbose, but it is an attempt to give everyone who reads this thread an overview of the pipeline scenario from my perspective.

Permalink Reply by Gusher on April 3, 2013 at 5:25am

Thanks, very helpful. I as well have been manicuring 150 acres for 20 years and while we do not want to slow down progression we want to make sure we are fair in what we ask for both monetary as well as disruption

Permalink Reply by Jason Grecco on April 4, 2013 at 1:17pm

Al:

I agree with your statment that $2-$3 a foot is a fair price, but we cant even get a an idea of how many pipes and diameter that they are going to install.

Permalink Reply by Poison Ivy on April 5, 2013 at 3:24am

CAM, which attorney are you using? We are looking for someone local. Thanks!

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