A few minutes ago a young man stopped by to ask about running pipeline across my property. It was just a preliminary questioning about how or where the drilling company will put a gathering line between wells and then to a larger line to wheverever. The route has not yet been decided upon but it seems it will probably be across my land westward to another gas well. I estimate the distance across my property to be perhaps 2000 feet. About 15 acres of open land now being used for cutting hay from and the rest being old pasture now grown up to brush. A creek crossing and then across another area of open land. Then up a rather steep bank to a wooded area with sizeable trees. The woods are probably about 600 or so feet to the line fence.
My question is what is a good price to ask for the pipeline crossing? And what can I expect concerning the logs and treetops. I burn firewood
Looking at a map the young man brought for me to look at, the route between wells is nearly straight. There could only be a small detour around a house and a new sewer system just installed.
Any ideas or information will be appreciated
I don't have his name but he had a map and said that within a week or so someone will come to take a look and discuss possible obstacles such as our water supply and such.
Another thing about pipelines, I found out, if the property is in Clean and Green, The pipeline is excluded from the Tax Penelties unlike a pad site.The property where the pipeline covers will not be converted out of Clean and Green.
http://gomarcellusshale.com/profiles/blogs/pipeline-easement-and-ri... < Start with this link
They will start off at $5/ft, I have seen up as $14/ft - $18
Try and put timelimit to when they start and finish.
Also Have a attorney review your Pipeline lease agreement.
Most will let you keep the logs, just need location off the pipeline to stock pile. The tops and stumps can be ground, chipped and spread.
HEP Tioga Gathering, L.L.C. - Is one of the companies in the area
Also you can request access to cross pipeline to be established to get heavy equip across
In Ohio, a landman traveled all the neighborhoods saying he was with a pipeline company and needed his Right Of Way contract signed with no negotiations and no details of where the Right Of Way would be.
The company just needed my signature in their opinion so I handed them a few paragraphs of information that was missing, like number of pipes, size, content, a survey map of the location of the right of way, and more.
We never heard from that company again. Those who signed will someday learn they signed away their ROW rights when they signed the contract.
The company is named after that red bird that OH & WV uses as their state bird. Companies don't like it when I use their names even if they were attempting to do something dishonest.
Don't forget to run that ROW contract past a lawyer otherwise you'll miss out when the real pipeline company shows up. Remember, you aren't dealing with the Church Choir when the topic is related to Oil & Gas.
Thank you both Mike Herceg and Ron hale. I will be especially cautious when dealing with these people. He had a map that was showing the both well locations. I asked for a copy of his map. He said he would give me one. But he also said in effect, "I will have to delete the locations of these two wells. But I could put a little "flyspeck" pencil mark where they are located". I thought this was a little strange.
He said that he was from the Pittsburg area. Another thing he said was that someone from the pipeline company would come to our place in about a week. But probably would not walk around the area. This raised a caution flag for me! And maybe even a red flag too!
My son who was there said the company the young man represented was in fact "Cardinal". Does anyone have any comments to make about this outfit? Are they a lease and then re lease to other outfits for a profit? I am a bit leery about this. Bill L.
Yea that fits the Red Bird description to a tail feather.
I'm thinking if you have electronic county records you can look to see how many ROW contracts have been entered on deeds in your county by these "birds".
Back in 2012 one of the ladies who comments on this website stated she was concerned about her county in PA and Columbiana County Ohio due to all the ROW contracts this group was getting signatures on. All the neighbors I dealt with that didn't sign due to discussions of what a real ROW must have in it, have never heard from that Pipeline Company since. We assumed they were just another assault on the landowners by another phase of the Oil & Gas play.
Maybe someone will speak up with specifics about them, but in my opinion handing a landowner a boiler plate/cookie cutter ROW and telling them this is it sign it, we don't negotiate, then accepting a signature from an unsuspecting landowner might be described as UNETHICAL for starters.
My condolences to those that signed their lands Right Of Way over to this group for little to no compensation. You can only hope a pipeline never crosses your property in which case your loss is minimal.
Well Josie, most landowners are not lawyers. And long time family owners often have little reason for a lot of legal work. And I suppose there are speculators and other folks who have "inside information", who are willing to spend much time to visit with an unsuspecting landowner just to acquire control of their hard earned property.
I do not have much use for such people!!!!
"You can only hope a pipeline never crosses your property in which case your loss is minimal."
Bit of a disagreement with you there, Ron my friend, of a respectful nature I assure you. But loss can manifest itself in any number of ways. When time comes to sell a property, something which happens to many landowners, or their families, sooner or later, merely the threat of a pipeline will likely reduce the size of offers. It is not necessary for the pipeline itself actually to exist.
The entire picture of leasing and the and gas and oil industry as well as other industries look to me as if landowners are being "herded", for lack of a better word, into a situation where they are providing or being forced to turn over property. Property that their forebears busted their backs to clear and make a living from and eventually leave to their offspring.
More and more gas drilling rigs are sprouting up. Lots of abandon oil pumping rigs can be found not far from where I live. Just over the state line north, there are pumps operated by electric motors. There are electric lines with the wires that have fallen to the ground or just hanging in mid air. Other places you can find several oil well pumps that still have long rods leading back to one place. I guess there are called pump Jacks .
All of these places have left a great inconvenience for farmers or the owners of these properties. Eyesores? yes! Dangerous? Yes! Taxes still have to be paid and the areas are no longer available or safe to use.
Does it really make sense to turn over your land for such purposes?