Canada Needs Gas - Port Of Ashtabula - Wondering

Just wondering out loud if the City of Ashtabula / the City of Ashtabula Port Authority has been chasing any LNG Sales Leads (to Canada specifically).

Talk about a depressed economic situation - it looks to me like Ashtabula needs business in a big way.

I hear Canada needs processed Natural Gas.

They send it to us raw (via pipeline) and then someday after infrastructure is completed) we're supposed to be sending it back to them processed via pipeline.

Would we be buying it from them and then selling it back to them processed ?

I like the idea of working with Canada as they are certainly neighbors and allies of ours (as opposed to selling it to potentially hostile states). 

Wondering how feasible it would be to put a LNG Plant at the Port of Ashtabula which would process Ashtabula County and surrounding Northeast Ohio Counties raw natural gas from wells, liquify it and and ferry it to Canada ?

Sounds like a good idea to me - wondering how practical it would be ?

If it were practical it should certainly spur drilling / development don't you think ?

Anyone in Ashtabula chasing that bone ?

Just thinking out loud a little.

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Permalink Reply by Craig Stull on December 7, 2012 at 9:09am

There is a proposed pipeline that is going to run up route 11 to the lake and another that is going to run up the bike trail (old railbed) to the lake that will go to Canada via Detroit. Scheduled finish on this pipeline will be November of 2015. This news was put out back in September by the Youngtown vindicator.

Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on December 7, 2012 at 9:33am

I read something about that pipe earlier too.

Thanks for your interested reply.

Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on December 7, 2012 at 9:56am

I thought raw gas was supposed to be coming from the 'Canadian Oil Sands' to our processing plants.

That gas must be headed to Louisiana processing and shipping.

Also, how about the possibility of exporting to the European (Allies Only) Market by way of the St. Lawrence Seaway (if the locks were wide, deep and long enough to accommodate the LNG Tankers that is) ? Maybe (if the Market were strong enough) a new LNG Plant and LNG Tankers that would fit the St. Lawrence could be built. If not then sell it for the higher price that would be required to pay for the infrastructure upgrades. How bad do the overseas markets want our natural gas and how much are they willing to pay us for it instead of buying it from potential hostiles ?

Boy never thought I'd ever be thinking this much about foreign affairs and markets !

Don't know - I think someone with the required savvy and access to appropriate reference material ought to at least take a close look at it all.

Permalink Reply by Bluflame on December 7, 2012 at 10:31am

J-O,

  Aside from the cost of the processing plant, there are several canal locks linking the Great Lakes to the St. Lawrence Seaway system that would require major work to handle LNG supertankers. If that weren't the case, we'd probably already have a receiving port in the Great Lakes built when importing LNG was perceived as a long term issue!

BluFlame

Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on December 7, 2012 at 11:16am

Thanks for your reply BluFlame.

Maybe the market could stand the costs of also upgrading the locks and other infrastructure.

Price of product goes up that's all.

It's got to be cheaper than the competition however or they'll buy it from someone else.

Permalink Reply by Jack Straw on December 9, 2012 at 8:26am

RE: "I hear Canada needs processed Natural Gas. They send it to us raw (via pipeline) and then someday after infrastructure is completed) we're supposed to be sending it back to them processed via pipeline."

There is no such thing as "raw" Natural Gas or "processed" Natural Gas. Natural Gas does not require any sophisticated processing.

The only thing removed from Natural Gas, as it comes out of the well head, is any water that might come up with it. And, typically, this is easily handled at the well site.

If Natural Gas Liquids are present, this too needs be handled at the well site (as they cannot go into a pipeline in any significant quantities).

The only thing added to Natural Gas on its journey from the well site to the kitchen stove are a few parts per billion of Mercaptans (that rotten egg smell). Mercaptans are added to Natural Gas for safety reasons - to give the (otherwise odorless) gas an odor such that leaks can be readily detected. Adding Mercaptans is not a sophisticated process requiring a "processing plant".

 

RE: "I thought raw gas was supposed to be coming from the 'Canadian Oil Sands' to our processing plants."

You have got things backwards. Natural Gas does not come from the 'Canadian Oil Sands'. Natural gas goes to the 'Canadian Oil Sands'. The Athabasca Tar Sands do not produce Natural Gas; Natural Gas is brought in and used there as a fuel in the process whereby the Tar Sands are turned into Syncrude. Futhermore Natural Gas Liquids can be brought in and used as a dillutant to allow the heavy Syncrude to be more easily transported via pipeline and to make it a better refinery feedstock.

Also RE: "our processing plants".

We do not have any processing plants; there is no such thing as a "raw gas processing plant".

 

JS   

 

Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on December 9, 2012 at 8:53am

There was a big Congressional / Presidential hulabaloo over a pipe line practically bi-secting the U.S. running through the Dakotas and I think Oklahoma and then I think on to Louisiana earlier this year before the election. 

Then a section of it was detoured and now I think it's going to be constructed / under construction.

What is that pipe supposed to be carrying ?

Permalink Reply by Jim Litwinowicz on December 9, 2012 at 9:05am

Joseph;  that pipeline is designed to carry crude oil from Canadian tar sands. It will not carry any nat gas.

The crude will be delivered to the refineries in the Gulf area for refining.

Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on December 9, 2012 at 9:17am

Thanks Jim.

Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on December 9, 2012 at 9:14am

JS (and the World):

To explain my parlance, when I used the words 'raw natural gas' I meant not Liquified / Compressed / still containing the 'Liquids' and ethane and propane etc.

I thought that 'Processing Plants' cracked / separated everything but the methane from the resource and then added the mercaptan.

Obviously there are technical errors contained in my parlance as pertinent to natural gas production / refinement / pipe lines etc.

Still learning everyday.

Thank you.

Permalink Reply by Joseph-Ohio on December 7, 2012 at 11:14am

Have you heard which way the gas is supposed to be flowing in those pipelines Craig ?

Permalink Reply by craig on December 7, 2012 at 5:39pm

Different Craig here, but the pipeline is going to be carrying product into Canada from what I read.

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