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Permalink Reply by Private KeepOut on September 8, 2011 at 1:53am

I like this statement....."Neither bill is expected to get much traction in the GOP-controlled state Legislature. Similar amendments were offered and defeated during legislative debates earlier this year"

Permalink Reply by Inchworm antenna on September 8, 2011 at 2:05am

In the article the one huy who mentions lighting bubbles on fire - I think he's failing to tell us this happens only when he's in the bath tub.

Permalink Reply by Private KeepOut on September 8, 2011 at 2:18am

ROFL.......LMAO!!! :-)

Permalink Reply by SA Frank on September 8, 2011 at 2:20am

The state has been letting coal companies destroy water wells for years...why worry about them now?

I will still take a well in my backyard any day over a coal mine under my house.

Permalink Reply by Finnbear on September 8, 2011 at 2:45am

I work in that area on a regular basis. I think I am going to look up Mr. Mangan and have him show me his "fire water". If he heads for the bathroom, I'm going the other way though! ;-)

I suspect he's watched Gasland a few times too many. If there were an actual case of a frac job gone bad in NE Ohio, it would have been all over the news every time there was any story about oil and gas.

Finnbear

Permalink Reply by Private KeepOut on September 8, 2011 at 2:49am

Finnbear....I completely agree! Let us know what you find out.

Permalink Reply by Finnbear on September 8, 2011 at 3:49pm

An update on this. I contacted the writer and asked for contact info for the man with the flaming water. The writer did not have that info and in fact never had any contact with this man. He hitched his journalistic credibility to unverified secondhand information and reported it as fact. It may or may not be true, but this reporter has no clue.

Permalink Reply by 0i7okn54zwbdo on September 8, 2011 at 3:20pm

Most of the concerns dealing with fracking are a total joke.  Water being lit on fire is almost always caused by biogenic gas pockets that lie just beneath water tables and are disrupted by drilling.  You could get the same result if you drill your own water well and stray too deep into the limestone.  The Texas Railroad Commission studied 27 water well contaminations in the Fort Worth Basin and found that only one was caused by improperly set casing that allowed frack fluid to enter the water table.

Permalink Reply by James Kerns on September 15, 2011 at 5:29pm

Hey Marcus and gang, I could not possibly agree more. Gaslanditis, nothing more.

It is like i stated in other threads, how the casing is cemented in and an intermediate casing is cemented in even before drill pipe enters the target formations.

They dont just back the cement truck in and slop some cement downhole. Petroleum Engineers with years of experience do very complicated math equations to determine the volume of cement, its chemical properties, the pressure at which it will be pumped, how much it will weigh per gallon, things like that.

Cement jobs and fracture programs are very precise. Things are checked and double checked. you have a large casing cemented back in several hundred feet down, then another casing set in even deeper, usually at the top of the first possible formation that can be produced from.

The annulus between the two casing's is then cemented in. If there is any gas getting through that, then these guys are losing money and they dont like to lose money. This is not the Gulf of Mexico, or Hollywood for that matter.

Next the the drill stem goes back down and drills some more, then in traditional vertical wells a tubing is ran downhole through which the fracturing is done. 

Most, if not all, of the pollution/ contamination, that could possibly occur, happens at the surface and is dispursed during rainfall. this would be from sloppy practices at the surface. Trucks and valves leak when lines are hooked up and taken apart, during shipping of fluids. Pits overflow or leak. A truck dribbles oil from a bad gasket on the motor. Sometimes the natural gas observed is from an old gasline on the surface hundreds of feet or even miles away, rots away and leaks or is damaged and ruptures, etc..

Every one of these things is a mistake and most can be avoided, people just need to remain observant. This is not a reason to ban or bash drilling and the whole industry.

We currently rely on fossil fuels. How many of our sons and daughters need to go die in deserts half a world away, to protect an outdated Energy Policy, so we dont have to mess up our backyards with oil wells. Come Drill in my backyard, no problem whatsoever, keep our money local, and our kids at home on our borders. There thats the end of my little rant, I was directing it at none of our members, just the situation in general.

Lastly, just how deep is someones water well. Mine is less than forty feet deep. I get more pollution from the cow pasture, my garage floor getting wet and running out on the driveway, or my neighbors septic line than any oil well in my neighborhood. people should drop the hysterics and deal with facts, not emotions. DISCLAIMER, i do not work in the O&G Industry in any capacity. All of this information can be verified by anyone online or in the library. I may be corrected on minor points but the points are valid. I hope this is helpful to some and good luck to all our members in getting the lease they seek.

Permalink Reply by Gary Cunagin on September 16, 2011 at 6:08am

James, Well said.   I have 44 acres of forest and cropland on the Muskingum river in South East Ohio  and I love that land as much as anyone could.  I am not looking forward to the traffic and disturbance that is sure to come.  

That said, I have signed a lease.  Here’s why:  Energy has to come from some ware.  How could I be so selfish as to deny my neighbors the opportunity to earn an honest living in an otherwise economically depressed area.  I am honest with my self, I like technology.  I like the choices I get to make.  I prefer heating my house with wood, but I can turn on the electric heat to keep things from freezing if I have to go out of town for a few days.  I like eating food I raised myself.  I also like driving my big diesel truck into town for a pizza from time to time.  I like walking over the hill and talking with my neighbor and sharing our thoughts, I also like the almost unlimited information the internet has to share. I am worried about the national economy.  Developing energy sources in this country may lessen the economic hard times that I believe are coming.  I hope this economic boom results in more small farmers.  Like my dad liked to say: “I’m glad I have a good job or I couldn’t afford to farm”. 

By the way, I didn’t need the lease money, but, I am putting a new roof on my barn earlier than I planed.  I bought all the materials locally.  That’s real economic stimulus, not the crap we are being fed…..I can’t believe I used that word; I’m so tired of it. 

And then there are those that want to make choices for me:  It is tough to argue with the anti fracing crowd as they are emotional creatures and tend to ignore technical facts that don’t support their position.   I know them well.  I lived near Yellow Springs, Ohio for most of my life.   Ah, Yellow Springs, hotbed of the Toyota Prius and Hookah pipes, is a small town with  a very liberal college.  It’s a great place to go if you want to learn the difference between well educated and long educated.  In the 60’s, when I was in high school, we called them “hippies”; I thought they were cool.  Yellow Springs has become a hot bed for anti fracing.  The environmental activists there have been without a catchy phrase for a while now.  “NO FRACKING WAY” has really caught on.  Just Google “Yellow Springs” and “fracking”  for pages of links to their recent efforts to make my decisions for me.  I particularly enjoyed this link: 

http://www.greenlink.org/uploads/pdfs/OIL_TalkingPoints.pdf 

It probably is authentic, defiantly sleazy, but no surprises.  Every one considering a lease should read it.

Learn all you can, be reasonable.

Disclaimer:  I didn’t say Yellow Springs was the armpit of the universe, but, I wanted to.

 

 

Permalink Reply by dr j on September 22, 2011 at 12:50pm

Gary,

 

That might be the best post I have ever read on GMS.  

Permalink Reply by RJ Morgan on October 5, 2011 at 3:12pm

There is a company out of Canada that has patented a method of 'petro-fracking' which eliminates the water issue, is safer, and far less expensive. That energy guru from Duq. Univ. whose name escapes me is projecting 11,100% increase in this companies value. They are not publicly traded yet, but it is something to keep an eye on. The name of the company is Gasfrac Energy Services, Inc.

 

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