Why The Missing Pickle Slice?

   If you follow the so-called Utica shale "pickle" out of s.e. Ohio into western Pa., there seems to be a missing area not being exploited, the eastern townships of Columbiana & Mahoning counties. The drilling picks up again at the state line, moving northeasterly into western Lawrence county. I understand that a good portion of Poland twp has an ODNR fracking ban due to the seismic tremors, but that doesn't explain the inactivity for the rest of these western Ohio townships.

  A few years ago, during the leasing boom, these same Ohio townships were bringing almost double the signing bonus with a higher royalty percentage than their next door neighbors in Pa.

  Can the geology become unattractive for a 20 mile stretch and then become viable again at the state line? I don't get it.

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Permalink Reply by Bob Moran on November 2, 2014 at 5:23am

correction: I meant to say that the ODNR ban doesn't explain the inactivity for the rest of these "eastern" (not western) Ohio townships.

Permalink Reply by Trapper on November 2, 2014 at 5:44am
Where do I find a map depicting this "pickle"?
Permalink Reply by bo boboski on November 2, 2014 at 6:01am

Trapper. Search box on GMS. type in Consol's pickle.  That pickle may be getting wider now, and maybe further south. not North. Actually it never did involve Columbiana & Mahoning counties,or WVA. or PA. Mainly it was from from Carroll to Washinton,N to S.and Belmont/Monro, to Guernsey/Noble, E to W.

Permalink Reply by Trapper on November 2, 2014 at 6:14am
Thanks Bo. This map has no bearing on Columbiana,mahoning,beaver,Lawrence,or points northward of there. Thanks again.
Permalink Reply by Philip Brutz on November 2, 2014 at 7:48am

Where are the gas storage fields?

Permalink Reply by Bob Moran on November 2, 2014 at 3:15pm

  Thanks, but I think you may have missed the main point of my question. If you follow the drilling trend as it moves out of southeast Ohio northeasterly headed toward and into Pa., it skips over these Ohio townships, and starts again in Pa.  Why? Both the shale depth and thickness remain consistent on either side of this area. I don't think that  infrastructure is the issue because Hilcorp has their cryogenic plant in one of these townships, Springfield, along with feeder pipelines leading to it.

0ym9x5ag7ury2Permalink Reply by 0ym9x5ag7ury2 on November 2, 2014 at 7:54am

Bob,

    Go to the Ohio Revised Code ODNR section and you'll find laws that apply to drilling in townships that have coal mines.

The area you mentioned has been mined for coal and then east of Lisbon the Gas Storage Well for Columbia Gas may be an issue.

The above is my opinion. CHK will be here soon enough. One can only hope they head back to Texas or down to KY where the pickens are ripe.

If you are getting a royalty check you'll understand my last statement. Theft, coming to a well near you!

Permalink Reply by tom on November 2, 2014 at 1:37pm

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Permalink Reply by tom on November 2, 2014 at 1:43pm

The pickle itself is a myth, something drawn by a company to make themselves look good, the reality is there are much greater quantities of oil and gas over a much longer and wider area than have been revealed up to this point, including crossing state lines.

0ym9x5ag7ury2Permalink Reply by 0ym9x5ag7ury2 on November 3, 2014 at 1:48pm

Bob,

   Just had a glitch and lost what I typed. Anyway South of Lisbon, below Route 518 before you get to the Highlandtown Reservoir, there's a fault that shows up on several maps. The fault has an affect on oil and gas from what I've heard, the oil and gas can escape into the fault.

There has been some drilling near Highlandtown so the fault may be North of the Reservoir.

Another opinion on why there may be little drilling South of Lisbon.

Permalink Reply by Bob Moran on November 4, 2014 at 1:59am

That may be the reason to north also. Even outside of the ODNR no-frack zone in Poland twp/Mahoning county, the O&G's might be hesitant to invest $8-$10 million in a pad knowing that the state has them under a microscope waiting for the slightest tremor. Thanks for your replies Ron.

0ym9x5ag7ury2Permalink Reply by 0ym9x5ag7ury2 on November 4, 2014 at 2:23pm

Bob,

   You're welcome.

I see GMS.com now has the "My Discussions" and "All Discussions" near the top of the page as I saw on the Eagles Ford Shale website. Nice feature for sure.

I'm sitting on some things waiting to see who gets re-elected.

Stay Tuned, this is going to be big.

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