Ingraffea speaking in Butler PA Nov. 21

Dr. Tony Ingraffea to Talk About Fracking at Butler Community College

Renowned authority on shale gas drilling, Dr. Tony Ingraffea of Cornell University, has been invited by Marcellus Outreach Butler to talk about the perils of fracking at:

7:00 pm, Thursday, November 21
Succop Theater
Butler Community College
107 College Drive, Butler, PA 16002

Free to the public. 

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Permalink Reply by Dan on December 27, 2013 at 6:24am
Compare the electricity rates there and the rate of black & brown-outs that can ruin electronics and appliances that then take resources to replace. Not that facts or costs would deter your blind crusade.
Permalink Reply by Bill F. on December 28, 2013 at 4:45am

Well I complement you for the solar use .Nothing is perfect does not compensate for a continuous extraction process used for NG that has multiple variables and anyone well educated knows it will never be totally safe or predictable .This rationalizing seems to be quite common among pro gassers.I to have made a living in the development and engineering field .An engineer should know variables are common in such a dynamic process .Who helps those that have issues ,NO one .If the industry wants to be responsible then  they should help when they screw up not shove it under the rug and blame all other circumstances .Until they come around I will keep my position as is .

Permalink Reply by Rodney T Hytonen on December 27, 2013 at 6:36am

"varying degrees of harm" indeed.

That is exactly my point.

Get the figures on the process and its materials, and do some math.

"The Industry" locally told me that 90% of frac fluid stays under the ground, at 10-20 thousand psi.

Look at the industry's projections for well and pad density, and the history and development and projections of the maximum number of wells per pad and the number and length of laterals per wellhead - all still being increased intentionally and ardently.

Try calculating the probablity of communication, given the hundreds of thousands ("over 160,000 in Ritchie county alone": congressional report,) of KNOWN deteriorated, low tech(wood) or uncased legacy wells going through the aquifer for a century and half in WV (of which less than a century has them documented) - and add undetected vertically oblique major layer fractures to connect them with laterals and vertical 1800'-plus demosttrated,  purposely exacerbated cracks. 

Thats what I would call as an engineer, a shitload of poison. And a very weakened, riddled rock layer. Something's GOTTA move when you bang over a thousand HEAVY trucks over these inadequate roads -and with a crumbling infrastructure in between those two assaults. Ever hear of what happened in Sissonville this past year? And what were the results of an investigation of the condition of commercial natural gas delivery pipes? I predict thousands of Sissonville explosions all around WV - but not until the  frackers are long gone and probably dissolved or preemmptively bankrupted (considering their ACTUAL -not predicted- 1.5 year max PROFITABLE Marcellus well production life. Another fact: They're down 80% by the 12th month.)

Show me the bond for one well that will replace the county's entire infrastructure - gas, water, sewer. And people are already complaining of losing their landline phone and eletricity service intermittently in drilling storgage, pipeline or compressor station areas, due mainly to tampering or irresponsibly clumsy clearcutting of a helpless surface owner's land.

In actual PRACTICE (not rhetoric, ignored regulation, lease or contract provisions, falsified reporting, or a token PR "clean-up" or two;) irresponsibility is the hallmark of these extractioninsts, again and still, in WV for over 150 years. Only the SCALE has changed of this "industry without boundaries." And I didn't invent the facts. I and many have gone out and observed them personally. Amd we in my town are about to become the next sacrifice victims to live it on the 24/7, DAILY basis our neighors in Doddridge County have been doing for close to a year.
And we can't afford to move. We sank EVERYTHING into this house, a property whose value has already begun to plummet. We like many o Doddridge and in PA, have no choice but to fight, And whem the nosebleeds announce inevitable cancer, we, the nonconsentually sacrificed, like the other millions affected across the Marcellus and the country, will have nothing left to lose or fear. That will then become the prerogative of those who allowed and supported it.

Expect us.

Permalink Reply by Rodney T Hytonen on January 28, 2014 at 6:45am

So, we shouldn't minimize them. OK (since YOU accept it - I don';t..) But that doesn't mean, "oh well then we can throw ALL caution to the winds and destroy over a trilion gallons of water and dump ALL that poison under the ground to EVENTUALLY find a path to the aquifer."

Who DOESN'T see that is a BAD IDEA?

The justification of profit to a few and harming ALL the rest, is not valid to me -  no matter how they compare at scale. The scale of personal loss, harm and damage HERE in West Virginia, is ATROCIOUS. I see it PERSONALLY in real life, daily. 

Government EXISTS to criminalize and punish such abuses until they're STOPPED, not to support and encourage them.

AND - It's all for export.

"Unconventionally" producing and selling gas here is a net LOSS.

(BTW gas bills -level billing and corrected for weather- have RISEN steadily for 10 years in WV and CONTINUE to rise.)

The numbers proving it's for EXPORT, are the industry's and the business community's own figures:

H&H (domestic) Spot price: ............$4.35/Mcf.

Marcellus mean total cost?............. $4.85/Mcf.

Price in Japan? .............................$12+  /Mcf.

(This is why banks are giving drillers $500Millon liens/loans on Marcellus leases while preventing SO's from refi-ing or selling. It always WAS about nothing but absentee owner/driller land speculation, as it has been since before WV was formed.)

What do you think we'll be paying domestically, bidding against that?

And what about purposely depleting our "Dwindling domestic resources?"

Permalink Reply by George Brown on January 28, 2014 at 7:37am

I see Rodney has crawled back out from under his rock. Perhaps he has been super glued to a gas pump somewhere (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/antifracking-protesters-glue-them...), unable to communicate with the outside world.

Permalink Reply by Mark McGrail on January 28, 2014 at 8:37am

George,

The rantings of a madman can be entertaining to read.

Permalink Reply by David Perotto on December 21, 2013 at 1:57pm

Dr. Ingraffea's work has been peer reviewed. One of those reviews by his own Cornell University colleague. And several of these reviews conclude that Dr. Ingraffea's work is based on improper assumptions. He may have much knowledge on the subject, but when you have an agenda to create, your work is no longer valuable. Pure and simple. Mike is correct when he states some fancy computer model is not necessary when you have so many live wells to research. Theory is one thing and reality is another. Dr. Ingraffea's anti-fossil fuel slant has clouded his work.

Permalink Reply by David Perotto on December 21, 2013 at 2:13pm
Permalink Reply by Rodney T Hytonen on December 21, 2013 at 3:32pm

Are you suggesting the billions in relatively cost-free profits for the gas industry don't constitute just such an "agenda?"

 

And irrespective of that agenda, FACTS have value.

(Never mind that more and more of the world -and the country- agrees this INDUSTRY WITHOUT BOUNDARIES has to be banned.)

Permalink Reply by David Perotto on December 22, 2013 at 2:53am

You are blind to the facts. Open your mind. Yes Energy in Depth is funded by Oil and Gas. They present facts and you simply cant digest it. Read what I posted and tell me those are not facts. Open your mind.

 

Rodney remember one thing. Without the oil and gas industry, our standard of living declines to a level that is unacceptable to our society. That is also fact.

Permalink Reply by Mark McGrail on December 22, 2013 at 5:54am

David,

I love when the greens claim that EID is biased and can't be trusted. First - EID has never claimed to be unbiased. It openly states that it is associated with the industry. However, most anti shale organizations go to great lengths to cover their bias in particular their source of funding. If you dig into the financials of these groups you will find funding from virulently anti fossil fuel organizations, i.e. the Park Foundation.

Finally, all of the articles posted by EID are well sourced. You will not find that in the work of the environmental left.

Permalink Reply by Rodney T Hytonen on December 26, 2013 at 3:58pm

Whether or not you live in West Virginia, your term "our" here is patently incorrect.

It is also incorrect for most of the people I know in the neighboring county, whose inundation by this properly described "industry without boundaries" morally, ethically, and even competently speaking, is about to be shared by us.

 Those who can afford to take the loss of devalued property are already in the process of moving away, the nosebleeds and loss of livestock having already started. And they're not even parents or seniors!

But those of us who can't afford to move (and are too old) even if our property were uncharacteristiclly to retain its value -  we have nothing left but to fight it with all of our being, even to the loss of our safety or freedom, because the misery I have personally witnessed is nothing resembling freedom, or a life. And there is nothing safe nor tolerable about the sprawling industrialization of a rural area rendering the water and worse, the very air, toxic and painful,accumulating every moment of the day and night..

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