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Expiring leases

Started this discussion. Last reply by Don C Jan 7, 2020. 29 Replies

With a major slow down of drilling what does that do to the 2nd term leases going to expire in the near future 3rd term or a lease extension possible?Continue

Cracker plant

Started this discussion. Last reply by BW_Appalachia Dec 17, 2019. 4 Replies

With existing wells dropping off and cutting back on drilling how will this effect the new cracker plant ?Continue

Lease extension

Started this discussion. Last reply by Darrell Weaver Aug 2, 2019. 7 Replies

with two and half years left of the second term and drilling slow because of prices is an extension of the second term out of the question?Continue

What is happening in West Virginia

Started Jul 17, 2019 0 Replies

i know prices are down but time is expiring on leases . All the money invested on leases I can’t see them not drilling soon Continue

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Don C replied to william george allison's discussion 'Expiring leases'
"It was Bill Williams not Williamson"
Jan 7, 2020
Don C replied to william george allison's discussion 'Expiring leases'
"Encino has ours now and our 1st lease was in 2011 with Chk. They decided to pay us shut in royalty when they should have paid us for 2nd term. Its still pending."
Jan 7, 2020
ray schmidt replied to william george allison's discussion 'Expiring leases'
"no had a.l.o.v. lease. hundreds of landowners signed at that time with chessapeake"
Jan 7, 2020
william george allison replied to william george allison's discussion 'Expiring leases'
"I agree Becky it doesn’t look good and range is one of the more stable companies out there "
Jan 7, 2020
Becky Moore replied to william george allison's discussion 'Expiring leases'
"Have you seen the Range Resources 2020 Budget - spending 29% less than 2019. Leasing is going to be tough the next couple of years. "
Jan 7, 2020
Don C replied to william george allison's discussion 'Expiring leases'
"Ray....did Atty Bill Williamson handle ur original lease?"
Jan 7, 2020
Joe replied to william george allison's discussion 'Expiring leases'
"Yea i do but it doesn’t bring up all 17. Only 5 comments"
Jan 6, 2020
Joe replied to william george allison's discussion 'Expiring leases'
"Can someone help and tell me why I can’t see all the replies on these topics. It says there is 20 messages but i can only see 5"
Jan 5, 2020
Nancy Mosley replied to william george allison's discussion 'Expiring leases'
"Glad to help. Hope somebody has the Brooke County help."
Jan 5, 2020
william george allison replied to william george allison's discussion 'Expiring leases'
"Thank you Nancy "
Jan 5, 2020
ray schmidt replied to william george allison's discussion 'Expiring leases'
"my contract stated the drill bit had to be in ground by april 16  . i think my neighbor and i were the only ones in the unit that leases were about to expire. im thankful that was stated in the lease!!!! got 3 bonuses and i think some wells are…"
Jan 5, 2020
Joe C. replied to william george allison's discussion 'Expiring leases'
"Thanks Nancy!"
Jan 4, 2020
Nancy Mosley replied to william george allison's discussion 'Expiring leases'
"Not Nick, but for permits you can go to the WV Office of Oil and Gas website Permit search WV Permits search and use Brooke for the county and pick a recent date. For more information if you have an API number: go to the WV Office of Oil and Gas…"
Jan 4, 2020
william george allison replied to william george allison's discussion 'Expiring leases'
"Nick do you know of an up to date web site I can look at permits and pool declarations for Brooke county wv ?"
Jan 4, 2020
william george allison replied to william george allison's discussion 'Expiring leases'
"Ray that is the first time I heard of them going beyond the second term that is good to know . I have a hard time getting the same answer out of two people at swn "
Jan 4, 2020
BW_Appalachia replied to william george allison's discussion 'Expiring leases'
"Ray - you’re better off going Nick’s route and checking on your own. They aren’t going to tell you more than what is of record, and it will only tip your hand that you’re interested in remaining under lease."
Jan 4, 2020

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At 7:47am on March 3, 2018, Bullfrex said…

William, I am not the best person for an answer here, but I will give you my opinion. Keeping in mind I don't know how other Producers treat their Lessors, we asked for and got a no deductions clause added to the addenda. Our producer has honored that and they take zero deductions from our production to pay royalties.

Having said that, the horror stories I read on this forum concerning the backdoor deductions being taken from a gross at the wellhead worded lease leads me to believe the lease language matters less than the integrity of the Lessee.

Your question is not dumb....wish I could say the same for my response to it! lol

At 7:29pm on March 1, 2018, Bullfrex said…

Yes William....that is the completion rig. It is a smaller drilling rig that is used before AND after the BIG rig drilled the bulk of the well....primarily the bottom of the vertical well and the entire horizontal leg.

That rig will open the cement plug placed after the fracing process.

After that process is complete, the operators will  conduct the 'flowback' work, where all the water (most of it, anyway) is recovered during the flowing of produced gas. This will last some time, depending on the amount of water used in fracing.

This is the final step of production, and you will collect royalties at some future time from this stage.

I wish you well, and enjoy the gift!! Only today's though....don't spend it until you have it, because the true decline curve will not be revealed for 12 months or more, depending on production methods.

At 2:59pm on October 12, 2017, Daryl Brown said…

wow.  Well good for you.  She probably had a serious problem but that's not your fault.  Ya I guess if you got it that cheap spending a $1,000 on some legal advice might not be so bad.  Still a great deal overall.

At 12:08pm on October 12, 2017, Daryl Brown said…

Well I don't know how long ago this event occured nor do I know where this interest is located but what I wouldn't do is count on them to do the homework to try to determine who owns it.  If you think you own it then by all means get the documents in your possession to prove it and make sure they are all filed properly at the courthouse or abstract office etc.  There are many instances in which it is impossible to determine who owns all the interests due to the extreme fractionation of these interests after so many generations have passed.  In those cases the O&G remits the funds for royalties etc to the state and it goes into the unclaimed property account.  Just because they can't determine who owns 100% of the minerals doesn't stop them from drilling nor should it.  It is a daunting task to wade through the plethora of legal documents  to try to figure all this out and at some point they stop and just call it good.  It is a problem for sure.  In Louisiana the minerals go back to the surface owner after so many years of no production so this keeps things in some order and I'm not sure that is not the best system.  In 200 more years what will happen is the state will end up getting the lions share as ownership will just be impossible to determine in many cases.

At 11:53am on October 12, 2017, Daryl Brown said…

I don't know anything about that sir. 

Not a lawyer but in Oklahoma the minerals can and most times have been severed from the surface so there are deeds covering those minerals separately.  Somewhere in all that process as the estate's assets were divided per the instructions in the Will or trust I would have assumed some paper trail would have been created that can be followed to show how those interests were transfered.  I acted as the executor for my parents estate and that is how it was done.  Oklahoma is likely different than WV or OH or PA.  I'd seek professional guidance on this issue.  I am certainly not qualified to render an opinion on the matter.

At 2:51pm on October 11, 2017, Daryl Brown said…

I suppose that is a possibility but more likely there are those who know that drilling is eminent (from reviewing permit applications) or they can see that a producing well is online and have evaluated the production data (publicly available) from the well enough to form and opinion as to the ultimate reserves. 

Cash is king to E&P companies and most would rather pay you a percentage of the ultimate find rather than try to buy you out initially.  That second option requires more $ and as I said earlier "cash is king" so they would likely not choose to do that but yes it is possible.

At 9:43am on October 11, 2017, Daryl Brown said…

My opinion of groups/companies/shops whatever you want to call them who are offering to buy your minerals is they are looking for uninformed owners who see dollar signs and suddenly lose perspective of what they hold.  There are so many factors that go into determining the value of minerals that it's very difficult for them to know exactly what they have and certainly attempting to value that unknown is then nearly impossible.  The buyers are holding all the cards and they simply want to make money.  

Here is a scenario to consider...........  Mineral owner is aging male/female with needs from healthcare to basic survival and has little to no money but owns minerals that were passed down from descendants long ago.  At 70 years old they may have 10 years left they may have days who knows.  The kids are deadbeats who have milked them for all they are worth their whole lives and have personal lives that are a tragedy of errors and bad decisions and maintain little to no relationship with the aging mineral owner so why leave it to them to squander on booze, drugs and trashy women.  Someone comes along and offers to pay them some real $ for what they own and they look at the alternatives of never seeing a penny to dying before they do see a penny and they jump at the chance and sacrifice the minerals to the sharks hunting value.  While my example may be extreme tell me in your part of the world how many people fit this exact scenario or some resemblance of it.  A lot I suspect.  In the end did the mineral owner make a bad choice?  I can't say they did cause at least they get something for asset and the deadbeat children get what they deserve which is NOTHING!

These companies that buy these minerals then package them up as a block and sell them to a host of investor groups who are looking for these types of assets all while making a tidy margin for themselves.  It's called capitalism!

Make sense?

At 8:42pm on January 27, 2013, Bob Kelley said…

The Square Headed unit is pretty inactive in fact I think it is dead, at least that the way it smells.

At 11:19am on January 25, 2013, Jason said…
No - I know where that new plant is. Wrong side of 22.

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