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a living will

Started this discussion. Last reply by Dott Feb 3. 20 Replies

what if the will does not mention mineral rights. back in the day nobody ever thought about that when making a will ?Continue

purchasing mineral rights

Started this discussion. Last reply by carp Jan 2. 11 Replies

I am thinking of buying mineral rights from three of my inlaws does anybody know the process of doing this/Continue

mineral rights

Started this discussion. Last reply by william george allison Dec 18, 2018. 5 Replies

already into the second term so the bonus money is gone and from what I have seen is $ 2500 an acre ball park what they are offering in your area?Continue

mineral rights

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the lease is with swn at 14% over 4 more years remaining on leaseContinue

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Dott replied to william george allison's discussion 'a living will'
"Nancy you may be correct that no deed is needed for the O&G company to change ownership  or at the very least to stop sending out checks to the deceased and hold them until they receive what they need. But in the end the new owner will want…"
Feb 3
G.H. replied to william george allison's discussion 'a living will'
"It is not always split equally among heirs.  It depends on who the heirs are (how they are related), as well as the laws specific to your state."
Feb 3
Nancy Mosley replied to william george allison's discussion 'a living will'
"My experience is that a will is sufficient, and no deed, but perhaps a straightforward will, as in our case, is different from the one involved here. In WV the county clerks have good information on what is required to change ownership for the…"
Feb 3
Dott replied to william george allison's discussion 'a living will'
"William, I don't believe the O&G company will just pay you the royalty checks now by just showing them the will etc. You will have to have the rights deeded to you and then show them the deeds. They should hold the royalty checks in an…"
Feb 3
Nancy Mosley replied to william george allison's discussion 'a living will'
"You should ask the company what they need. Some require a copy of the death certificate, I think, and all will likely want a copy of the will. Also, check with the county clerk or assessor, and ask how to change the tax information."
Feb 2
william george allison replied to william george allison's discussion 'a living will'
"thank you Bo so if we give the oil & gas company all the info they need they will send royalty checks to the four heirs of the estate?"
Feb 2
bo boboski replied to william george allison's discussion 'a living will'
"If there is no mention in the will, the rights automatically go to the heirs, if there are multiple heirs,it's split equally among them. I'm not an attorney,but I did stay at a holiday inn express. No, actually this happened when my dad…"
Feb 2
Dott replied to william george allison's discussion 'a living will'
"William, As GH has stated, mineral rights are considered real property. This is true in SOME states and it is true in West Virginia and Ohio to name a few.   So if you do inherit the mineral rights make sure you hire an OIL & GAS…"
Feb 2
G.H. replied to william george allison's discussion 'a living will'
"Also, in WV, sometimes "royalties" can mean an interest in the actual minerals, rather than just a royalty interest.  "
Jan 24
G.H. replied to william george allison's discussion 'a living will'
"Mineral rights are included in any devise of real property.  If that is not specifically addressed, there is usually a residuary clause, that states that all property not specifically addressed is to pass a certain way.  It is almost…"
Jan 24
william george allison replied to william george allison's discussion 'a living will'
"this is in brooke county wv  "
Jan 23
Nancy Mosley replied to william george allison's discussion 'a living will'
"My comment about the county applies to WV. Not sure about other states but it is a good idea to ask just in case."
Jan 22
Nancy Mosley replied to william george allison's discussion 'a living will'
"Check with the company. They probably need a copy of the will. Also call the county where the property is, to the county clerk and ask about the procedure for changing taxes. "
Jan 22
william george allison replied to william george allison's discussion 'a living will'
"That’s what I was thinking and if we provide the gas company with names address and social security numbers they will send royalties to each beneficiary correct?"
Jan 22
carp replied to william george allison's discussion 'a living will'
"Very good question for a very good attorney. You may have the opportunity to buy your 1/4 at going rate in your area ?"
Jan 22
Sarah Violet replied to william george allison's discussion 'a living will'
"This is an interesting question. What if you are already in production , you pass away, leaving everything to whom ever. How would the inheritance tax be determined ? William you are so right these things were never consider before, but it has all…"
Jan 21

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At 7:47am on March 3, 2018, Bullfrex said…

William, I am not the best person for an answer here, but I will give you my opinion. Keeping in mind I don't know how other Producers treat their Lessors, we asked for and got a no deductions clause added to the addenda. Our producer has honored that and they take zero deductions from our production to pay royalties.

Having said that, the horror stories I read on this forum concerning the backdoor deductions being taken from a gross at the wellhead worded lease leads me to believe the lease language matters less than the integrity of the Lessee.

Your question is not dumb....wish I could say the same for my response to it! lol

At 7:29pm on March 1, 2018, Bullfrex said…

Yes William....that is the completion rig. It is a smaller drilling rig that is used before AND after the BIG rig drilled the bulk of the well....primarily the bottom of the vertical well and the entire horizontal leg.

That rig will open the cement plug placed after the fracing process.

After that process is complete, the operators will  conduct the 'flowback' work, where all the water (most of it, anyway) is recovered during the flowing of produced gas. This will last some time, depending on the amount of water used in fracing.

This is the final step of production, and you will collect royalties at some future time from this stage.

I wish you well, and enjoy the gift!! Only today's though....don't spend it until you have it, because the true decline curve will not be revealed for 12 months or more, depending on production methods.

At 2:59pm on October 12, 2017, Daryl Brown said…

wow.  Well good for you.  She probably had a serious problem but that's not your fault.  Ya I guess if you got it that cheap spending a $1,000 on some legal advice might not be so bad.  Still a great deal overall.

At 12:08pm on October 12, 2017, Daryl Brown said…

Well I don't know how long ago this event occured nor do I know where this interest is located but what I wouldn't do is count on them to do the homework to try to determine who owns it.  If you think you own it then by all means get the documents in your possession to prove it and make sure they are all filed properly at the courthouse or abstract office etc.  There are many instances in which it is impossible to determine who owns all the interests due to the extreme fractionation of these interests after so many generations have passed.  In those cases the O&G remits the funds for royalties etc to the state and it goes into the unclaimed property account.  Just because they can't determine who owns 100% of the minerals doesn't stop them from drilling nor should it.  It is a daunting task to wade through the plethora of legal documents  to try to figure all this out and at some point they stop and just call it good.  It is a problem for sure.  In Louisiana the minerals go back to the surface owner after so many years of no production so this keeps things in some order and I'm not sure that is not the best system.  In 200 more years what will happen is the state will end up getting the lions share as ownership will just be impossible to determine in many cases.

At 11:53am on October 12, 2017, Daryl Brown said…

I don't know anything about that sir. 

Not a lawyer but in Oklahoma the minerals can and most times have been severed from the surface so there are deeds covering those minerals separately.  Somewhere in all that process as the estate's assets were divided per the instructions in the Will or trust I would have assumed some paper trail would have been created that can be followed to show how those interests were transfered.  I acted as the executor for my parents estate and that is how it was done.  Oklahoma is likely different than WV or OH or PA.  I'd seek professional guidance on this issue.  I am certainly not qualified to render an opinion on the matter.

At 2:51pm on October 11, 2017, Daryl Brown said…

I suppose that is a possibility but more likely there are those who know that drilling is eminent (from reviewing permit applications) or they can see that a producing well is online and have evaluated the production data (publicly available) from the well enough to form and opinion as to the ultimate reserves. 

Cash is king to E&P companies and most would rather pay you a percentage of the ultimate find rather than try to buy you out initially.  That second option requires more $ and as I said earlier "cash is king" so they would likely not choose to do that but yes it is possible.

At 9:43am on October 11, 2017, Daryl Brown said…

My opinion of groups/companies/shops whatever you want to call them who are offering to buy your minerals is they are looking for uninformed owners who see dollar signs and suddenly lose perspective of what they hold.  There are so many factors that go into determining the value of minerals that it's very difficult for them to know exactly what they have and certainly attempting to value that unknown is then nearly impossible.  The buyers are holding all the cards and they simply want to make money.  

Here is a scenario to consider...........  Mineral owner is aging male/female with needs from healthcare to basic survival and has little to no money but owns minerals that were passed down from descendants long ago.  At 70 years old they may have 10 years left they may have days who knows.  The kids are deadbeats who have milked them for all they are worth their whole lives and have personal lives that are a tragedy of errors and bad decisions and maintain little to no relationship with the aging mineral owner so why leave it to them to squander on booze, drugs and trashy women.  Someone comes along and offers to pay them some real $ for what they own and they look at the alternatives of never seeing a penny to dying before they do see a penny and they jump at the chance and sacrifice the minerals to the sharks hunting value.  While my example may be extreme tell me in your part of the world how many people fit this exact scenario or some resemblance of it.  A lot I suspect.  In the end did the mineral owner make a bad choice?  I can't say they did cause at least they get something for asset and the deadbeat children get what they deserve which is NOTHING!

These companies that buy these minerals then package them up as a block and sell them to a host of investor groups who are looking for these types of assets all while making a tidy margin for themselves.  It's called capitalism!

Make sense?

At 8:42pm on January 27, 2013, Bob Kelley said…

The Square Headed unit is pretty inactive in fact I think it is dead, at least that the way it smells.

At 11:19am on January 25, 2013, Jason said…
No - I know where that new plant is. Wrong side of 22.

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