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Comment by daniel cohen on February 11, 2010 at 12:34am

Dear Drillman,
You can do better than your last post to me. Let the logic of your arguments make your points, not invective.
Dan

Comment by daniel cohen on February 11, 2010 at 12:30am

Dear Ruby,
I've narrowed down my 10 pages of notes to about two. It seems pretty long to post here, but perhaps I can do it in several sections in a series of posts. I think that might work. FYI
HEALTH RISKS FORUM – Feb 23rd
[ February 23, 2010; 6:30 pm to 8:30 pm. ] NATURAL GAS WITH UN-NATURAL CONSEQUENCES:
THE HEALTH RISKS OF SHALE GAS DRILLING
Tuesday, February 23, 6:30-8:30 at The Forum room, Tompkins Cortland Community College (TC3), 170 North St, Dryden, NY.
The presenters will be Ron Bishop, lecturer in Chemistry at SUNY Oneonta; Thomas Shelly, chemical safety and hazardous materials specialist; Adam Law, a physician who specializes in endocrinology. [...]
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All good thoughts,
Dan

Comment by drillman on February 10, 2010 at 10:13pm

Dan: You are as transparent as any obstructionist I've ever encountered. You sir, are an anti-driller. You will NEVER be satisfied with any amount of regulation. You will NEVER believe anyone who says that drilling is safe. You are a hypocrite extraordinaire.

Comment by daniel cohen on February 10, 2010 at 8:13pm

Dear Ruby,
Thanks for the site. Sen.Inhof's position was clearly stated, and it is in accord with Drillman's position. I was unimpressed with the 3 "experts", only 1 of which had an opinion, and that was in accord with Drillman's position as well. The other 2 were remarkably uninformed . So much so that I started my own search and have to go through about 10 pages of notes. I'll put them together to make sense, and post an abbreviated review of what I've found out. This will take a bit of time though, but will happen in the next 2 days or so.
Dan

Comment by drillman on February 10, 2010 at 5:50pm

Dan: Come on man. Do some of your own research. My statement is accurate. I never said it was "perfect." In fact, I have stated numerous times that it is "imperfect" and that accidents have occurred and will continue to occur as a result of equipment failure and human error. There is absolutely nothing staggering about my statement. Note that I said "not a single case of aquifer contamination" which actually should have read "not a single case of aquifer contamination as a direct result of hydrofracking." Apologies for my own misquote. Ruby is correct: There is a video on youtube of a portion of a congressional hearing where "experts" testified that not a single incident of water contamination was a result of hydrofracking. I will try to locate the video for you.

Comment by daniel cohen on February 10, 2010 at 5:13pm

Dear Ruby,
That would be very instructive. Thanks for researching it.
Dan

Comment by daniel cohen on February 10, 2010 at 4:20pm

Dear Drillman,
You statement "Over one million wells drilled and not one single documented proved case of aquifer contamination. States have recently testified to this fact in a congressional hearing. The statistics that show drilling has and will continue to be done in a safe and responsible manner are overwhelming" is simply staggering !!

If only it were true. It is not, and you know that. Why would you say that here? In your own postings previously you have indicated that there were negatives, that errors happen, that people will be people. Now you maintain a perfect record for the industry? I see a disconnect-don't you?

Can we agree that our goal ought to be to protect the land, the landowner AND the gas folk? So far you tend to protect only 1 out of the 3. Or have I miss characterized your position?
Dan

Comment by drillman on February 10, 2010 at 3:58pm

That's fine. I too have for responsible drilling and wish to minimize the negative impacts but come on Dan, 150+ years of drilling. Over one million wells drilled and not one single documented proved case of aquifer contamination. States have recently testified to this fact in a congressional hearing. The statistics that show drilling has and will continue to be done in a safe and responsible manner are overwhelming. There are enough regulations. Enough regulatory bodies (although I do believe the NYS DEC will need to add additional hires to oversee drilling activities - which is a good thing). Enough mandates and statutes. You simply cannot legislate out equipment failure and human error. Just look at what's happening to Toyota right now. Millions of cars recalled. This from a company that also has an exemplary track record of safety. Stuff happens, always will.

Comment by daniel cohen on February 10, 2010 at 3:44pm

Dear Drillman,
Why do you assume that I don't support the need for drilling, and embrace all the positives that can come from it? My concern is how best to minimize the negative outcomes. This takes us into the realm of responsible practices and the oversight of such.
Dan

Comment by drillman on February 10, 2010 at 3:28pm

Dan:
I would be happy to help educate you but it shouldn't be all that hard. There are mountains of stats that indicate drilling has been done, for the most part, in a safe an environmentally responsible fashion. Frankly I begin to lose patience with people who look for every little thing that goes wrong with the process - and certainly things have gone wrong over the long history of exploiting this resource. At what point will you feel comfortable with supporting the process? My comments about the positive impact the industry has had on many, many good people cannot be overlooked. The fact is, the benefits far outweigh the negatives. So how come you seem to support those that have a negative view on the process?

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