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Comment by daniel cohen on April 12, 2010 at 3:42am

Dear Hunter,
You've done us all proud! That lease reference (
http://www.thefriendsvillegroup.org/lease.pdf) should cover the vast majority of the issues that could come back to haunt us, and could serve as a model for those looking to lease. Certainly that lease in place would have eliminated the disaster that hit Dimock and protected the individuals there.

3 questions for your consideration:
a) Was there a 'date certain' that operations could be considered complete?
b) Are there any specifications as to the level/area underground to be accessed? (Basically the 'split horizons' concept limiting drilling to the marcellus shale layer only)
c) Has this lease been accepted by any company yet?

Super good stuff Hunter-thanks for the effort.
Dan

Comment by Joe Baran on April 12, 2010 at 3:21am

Anyone know of companies interested in leasing land in Beaver county?

Comment by CJK on April 12, 2010 at 12:14am

I hope that this is acceptable to post here. There is a meeting tonight that I wanted to let people know about:
Community Impacts and Responses to Gas Development

Dr. Abby Kinchy and Dr. Simona Perry are the featured speakers and
will share their observations and work related to developments in
similar “boomtown” developments as well as their research related to
Bradford County and the surrounding communities.
Their presentations will be followed by an open discussion.

7:00 pm , Monday, April 12th
Free and open to the public

Unitarian Universalist Church of Athens and Sheshequin
112 North Street ,
Athens , PA

Abby Kinchy is an Assistant Professor in the department of Science and
Technology Studies at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy , NY .
She earned a PhD in sociology from the University of Wisconsin-Madison
in 2007. She is in the beginning stages of a long-term research
project examining social conflict and scientific debate regarding gas
development in the Marcellus Shale.

Simona Perry, Ph.D. University of Massachusetts 2009-2010 Visiting
Scholar in Community Mapping & Outreach with the Center for
Environmental and Sustainability Education at Dickinson College.
Organizing a participatory mapping project within the Susquehanna
River watershed that will serve as an interdisciplinary and capacity-
building project through which the Dickinson community can learn about
GIS technology, develop spatial and geographic literacy, and document
rural life-ways in Pennsylvania .

Presented by the Community Shale Network
For more information, Please contact us at:
570-888-0252 or minis...@athensuuc.org

Comment by hunter777 on April 11, 2010 at 4:00pm

Here is a link to the lease agreement:

http://www.thefriendsvillegroup.org/lease.pdf

Comment by daniel cohen on April 11, 2010 at 3:50pm

Dear Hunter,
Water testing should be priority #1, we agree. There are specifics about that, but we need not go into them just yet. Your recommendation as to the Friendsville Group lease would be most valuable. Anything that you can come up with please post here, or give us a web address where it can be viewed. Good stuff.
Dan

Comment by hunter777 on April 11, 2010 at 2:25pm

I believe that the Friendsville Group lease probably contained most everything that a landowner might want. The site has been shut down for a while now, but I know enough people who signed to be able to come up with one as a sample. It was 52 pages, if memory serves me correctly, but one thing that I would definitely recommend would be pre-drill water testing to serve as a baseline.

Comment by daniel cohen on April 11, 2010 at 1:21pm

Dear John,Hunter,rfs,
What specifically would you counsel to be included in a lease?
Dan

Comment by John Reed on April 11, 2010 at 10:29am

Thanks Hunter777 for the insight. My point all along has been to take a cautious approach to gas drilling. I believe it's benefits far outweigh it's potential detriments. Learing from other landowners in PA as well as other shale plays and continuing to educate one another is the way to go. Figure out what is important to you as a landowner and work with your neighbors through a landowner group to help in negotiating a protective and lucrative lease agreement.

I truly believe that if someone randomly sampled a sufficient number of landowners to arrive at a statistical conclusion of good experience vs. bad experience, we would find the good far outweigh the bad. With over 1/2 million gas wells currently operating in the US, if there were more bad experiences than good ones would would know by now.

Comment by hunter777 on April 11, 2010 at 8:38am

Quoting comment by CJK:"Please add your positive experiences to this thread. I will be visiting the link you left afgter I post this message. Do either rfs or hunter777 have a well near them? How far ? Is your water still same quality and quantity as before?"

Almost exactly one year ago, and 35 pages of "conjecture" ago, I presented the following "truth":
"It was mentioned before, but it bears repeating - let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Not all drilling is bad, and it doesn't always yield bad results. Our water well is within 1000' of a gas well, has been tested by an independent agency twice, and is still pristine. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, however drilling is a legal, highly regulated process. The DEP is not issuing permits to allow "an intrinsically contaminating process". It has been a good experience for us, even though we live less than three miles from the Carter Road incidents. Just needed to present the other side of the coin... "

Folks, there are those here on the forum (and others) with real-life experiences in gas well drilling. You don't need to guess, or wonder what might happen - just ask!

Comment by Robin Fehrenbach Scala on April 11, 2010 at 5:16am

Exactly.
That was the point Hunter was trying to make.

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