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Comment by BuckinghamGasMan on March 15, 2010 at 7:20am

Dan, read what I said. The natural gas industry is not "unregulated at the federal level" as Carolyn said -- that is a serious error.

"Hazardous Waste" is defined by the Federal government. I grew up on dairy farm, the waste there was hazardous, but it was not "Hazardous Waste" as defined by the Feds or understood by the public.

I think that you modify what others say to fit your own purposes and then say they are in error. I'm not even sure that you mean well.

Comment by daniel cohen on March 15, 2010 at 6:36am

Dear Gasman,
Your last response is clearly at odds with the facts. Are you contending that the chemicals used are not hazardous to one's health? Are you serious about thinking that the Gas/oil Industry is regulated so that consumers are well protected?

You have a voice, and I'm sure that others heed what you say. That carries a responsibility- one you are not discharging well if you maintain the above stated positions. You may mean well, but you are in serious error here.

Dan

Comment by BuckinghamGasMan on March 15, 2010 at 5:39am

Daniel, Carolyn's note is rife with inaccuracies and you say that she has "encapsulated the issue". Typical Cohen pablum. Industry is unregulated on the Federal level? Wrong. The chemicals are hazardous waste? Wrong, unless we keep hazardous waste in our houses -- it becomes waste once used and hazardous wastes have specific requirements for disposal far greater thsn fraccing requirements. 5200 permits in "my area"? That is a number of permits expected to be issued in all of Pa this year.

Lack of research by writers and then others saying that the bad information "encapsulates" anything besides fearful inaccuracies does not help the discussion.

Comment by daniel cohen on March 15, 2010 at 4:46am

Dear Carolyn,
You've encapsulated the issue and highlighted the dangers very succinctly. Now to address them to safeguard ourselves, our property, and our environment.
Dan

Comment by daniel cohen on March 15, 2010 at 3:37am

Dear Gasman,
For us, it's not a question of 'belief or not' but rather of facts. Let's keep our eyes/ears open to see if we can get more info on the migrating of frac fluids. To date, my limited info indicates that they do migrate, and can permeate aquifers. That conclusion was apparently behind the N.Y.State decision to halt the proposed practice, and it is still on hold as far as I know.
Dan

Comment by daniel cohen on March 15, 2010 at 3:32am

Dear John,
Beautifully done-wise and to the point.
Thank you.
Dan

Comment by John Reed on March 15, 2010 at 3:28am

I've listed many ways to protect ourselves. 1.Baseline water testing. 2. Post drilling water testing. 3. Talk with your neighbors regularly. 4. Educated them as you become educated. 4. Join a non profit land owner group or attend meetings. 5. Don't fall prey to inconclusive rhetoric. 6. Apply logic to your thinking. 7. When you have a concern investigate it without first arriving at a negative conclusion. 8. Address concerns with your representives. 9. Before signing anything visit NG wells that the CO has already completed. 10. Before signing anything ensure you have adequate protections in place for your land and water. 11. Listen to everyone but let your own voice and logical thinking be the voice of reason.

Comment by BuckinghamGasMan on March 15, 2010 at 3:14am

Dan, I did not miss the point that CJK made about the "Halliburton exemption" and tried to point out that I think it is incorrect.

I have not heard hydro-geologists sayng that fissures will bring this fluid up into the aquifers used for drinking water. I have heard State and Federal agencies atate that there has been no substantiated instances of fraccing water contaminating water supplies. Have you not heard them or do you choose to believe others?

Comment by daniel cohen on March 15, 2010 at 3:09am

Dear John,
Shouldn't our focus now be on the ways to best protect ourselves? I of course agree with your point about the need to do one's homework, but in defense of those who didn't they were often operating on the model of being a good neighbor rather than a defensive position against vested interests. That said, can we come up with procedures that can serve us all, so that the value of the drilling can be obtained without the negative downsides?
Dan

Comment by daniel cohen on March 15, 2010 at 2:59am

Dear Gasman,
A last remark-in your response to CJK you point out that "there was no reason to believe that underground fraccing had any effect on drinking water." That was from the general assumption that the rock layers between the drill play and the aquifer layer we impermeable and would tend to shield the aquifer from upwards migration. That position is no longer held by the hydro-geologists that I have heard on this point. The current thinking is that there are micro fissures/cracks throughout, and that there is no impermeable layer. There is also a recognition of numerous natural fault lines passing through many layers, top to bottom.
Dan

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